Sisay has the answers | * Hibernation * | Primer
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I was very excited to play Selfless Spirit in EDH when it was first spoiled, but since then i have been rather disappointed by the little guy. Unfortunatley, it doesn't do anything against too many of the commonly seen removal spells: Swords to Plowshares, Song of the Dryads, Toxic Deluge, Evacuation and Duplicant are just some examples that get around its protection. It will still do some decent things, especially if you play cards like Rout yourself, but ultimately my verdict on the card is that it's not quite good enough.
As for Voice of Resurgence: The card is great in Modern because it's so cheap that getting even a single token can be a huge deal, and multiples easily win the game if not answered quickly. In competitive EDH, however, a couple of vanilla tokens don't seem impactful enough. And, in comparison to a card like Titania, Protector of Argoth, you are not guaranteed any payoff at all.
October 14, 2016 4:04 p.m.
Daedalus19876 says... #3
Emzed: I'm actually a great fan of Selfless Spirit in EDH (admittedly my deck plays well with it). He doesn't save your creatures from spot removal, but nearly all playable mass removal spells rely on damage or destroy effects. I've found him extremely handy.
I agree WRT Voice of Resurgence though.
October 14, 2016 4:17 p.m.
Well, against black decks Selfless Spirit actually can protect Sisay from most spot removals. On the other hand, mass there are several mass removals that get around it (Terminus, Toxic Deluge, blue bounce, All Is Dust). It's a bit of a metagame choice, and certainly not a bad card, i was just trying to express that it didn't live up to my high expectations. A card like Gaddock Teeg is way better at stopping mass removal.
October 14, 2016 4:44 p.m.
Emzed I'm just an EDH noob stuck below PartyJ here on the advertise your deck thingy, lol. I can see why voice wouldn't be great. Selfless Spirit notably doesn't help against Hallowed Burial, Terminus, Decree of Pain, Toxic Deluge.
October 14, 2016 5:25 p.m.
KingMathoro says... #6
What I really like with Umbral Mantle is that coupled with Selvala, Heart of the Wilds they can generate infinite mana and then once you have said infinite mana equip the mantle to Sisay and tutor for all of your creatures and then play all of your creatures and ask if anyone would like to scoop. Just something I noticed that I did not see in the comments. And if you have noticed this then my point was needlessly stated. Oh well cool deck!
October 31, 2016 9:12 a.m.
rob_shifflett says... #7
Well built +1. The only thing I can find that seems sub-optimal is Razorverge Thicket.
When I get my Atraxa build up, I will tag you.
November 2, 2016 8:32 p.m.
EternalEDH says... #8
Love the deck! Will definitely have to send this list to my buddy who plays Cpt.S
November 6, 2016 5:06 p.m.
FrostyHands says... #9
I'd suggest Recruiter of the Guard and Reveilark in your deck. Also Saffi, Eriksdotter provides some more recurrence combos.
November 9, 2016 1:29 p.m.
GoldenDiggle says... #10
Have you thought of using Instill Energy or Nature's Chosen? Tutoring 2x per turn (or 5x per rotation with Seedborn Muse) even if one of the tutors is for a land. Getting 2 for 1'd sucks, but it looks like you can protect Sisay well enough. Even if they blow it up the turn right after, the most you would be losing is , but you get another legend out of the deal.
Also, out of curiosity, why no Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx?
November 20, 2016 8:08 p.m.
Daedalus19876 says... #11
If you were going to cut anything, I feel like Voyaging Satyr is one of your weakest cards. Wouldn't basically any other ramp be better there?
Also, I love the new altered commander.
I'd give a +1, but I've already given my approval to the deck, haha.
November 20, 2016 10:37 p.m.
Daedalus19876: Voyaging Satyr gets disgusting when combined with Gaea's Cradle. It also forms an infinite mana outlet when you also add Umbral Mantle to the mix.
November 20, 2016 10:42 p.m.
Daedalus19876 says... #13
enpc: Welp, I forgot about that. I'm clearly getting rusty. Please ignore me, haha.
To be honest it's tricky to comment on this deck, because it's already so tuned.
November 20, 2016 11:05 p.m. Edited.
All good. Unfortunately a lot of decks at this kind of point in development run into the issue where unless you fundamentally change the deck, they are running the best cards possible (allowed by budget) and it's only really when new cards come out that big changes are made (not always true, but I see it happen a lot).
November 20, 2016 11:44 p.m.
Daedalus19876 says... #15
enpc: Yeah, I have a few decks where that happens. It actually annoys me, because once a deck's optimized, it's much less fun to tune :(
November 21, 2016 12:01 a.m.
I actually have a similar deck. You should go look at. Maybe we could talk about the strengths and weaknesses of each other's deck. selesnya fun stuff is the best stuff!
November 21, 2016 3:21 p.m.
Would you consider running illusionist bracers? It's the same effect as rings but it's free every time you wanna use it. Not saying rings is bad just that it's a simulator effect in a different way
November 28, 2016 10:43 a.m.
+1 for the deck my friend! I like it. I love tool boxy decks. I play Abzan Company in modern!
November 28, 2016 4:14 p.m.
spackal: Bracers is an ok card, however the benefit of rings is that it sees things like fetch lands, planeswalker abilities, etc whereas bracers only gets you a second tutor. Also, rings forms an infinite combo with Deserted Temple and Gaea's Cradle.
November 28, 2016 5:43 p.m. Edited.
Looking at your ramp cards, and I'm wondering if Gyre Sage Might work well for a continuing to ramp card, especially in conjuction with Selvala.
November 29, 2016 5:42 p.m.
Hello, saw your deck on the Advertise your COMMANDER deck! Forum and thought I'd give you my two cents for what its worth.
I really only have one suggestion, which is Heroes' Podium just because you have all the legendary creatures. A True Conviction would go amiss either I think. Ok... I keep thinking of more cards you could put in so this paragraph sounds a little strange... sorry not that. Another card that might be fun to test out is Elvish Piper... Search for a card with Sisay and put it out immediately. I also think adding Scroll Rack back in would be good, especially if your stuck between a rock and a hard place.
I wish you luck with the deck. +1 definitely.
-Luca
November 30, 2016 12:30 a.m.
Ok, my thoughts; coming from someone who plays competitive Sisay (love mon' Capitan!) in a group ranging 4-6 usually. My group is removal & counterspell happy BIGTIME so my build is a little different.
1) Selvala, Heart of the Wilds playtested by me and has been a sneaky buttkicker every time (if hasted even better). She is strong with Surrak, the Hunt Caller AND RIDICULOUS with Multani, Maro-Sorcerer --- Like 30some odd mana ridiculous
2) You already have him but Reki, the History of Kamigawa = another sneaky buttkicker
3) Going to agree to disagree on: Karametra, God of Harvests with my removal happy group this INDESTRUCTIBLE is usually a gift that keeps on giving, even when everything is countered or destroyed/exiled he typically has put you so far ahead of the competition mana-wise, also a double whammy of extra land+creature per turn. AND I have the 2 landfall angels... Which make him go completely out of control & vise-versa
4) Not sure if anyone mentioned Kytheon, Hero of Akros Flip But a 1 mana tutorable (almost planeswalker) that can make you untap + indestruct a permanent....
5) Seedborn Muse then search Yeva, Nature's Herald This too is outrageous if I have 5 opponents with no IMMEDIATE answer.. Basically free search & play during opponent's turn
Those are all things that have been solid in my Sisay deck
December 8, 2016 4:39 p.m.
Nice Deck man thank you asking how I think of it but I would personally switch out the mana artifacts Mana Crypt Mana Vault for something else you can check my karn commander deck for some really nice artifacts in replacement and I would also switch out Crucible of Worlds for Crawlspace. now I would like to ask why ask me how decent it is? also I don't have a fav format I just like building good decks and having fun.
December 18, 2016 9:11 a.m.
Another card you might want to look at is Rhys the Redeemed he is one of my favorite elves and fits your colors.
Bovine073 says... #1
Voice of Resurgence? Selfless Spirit? They're not legendary but can be used as good protection. Sorry I was below you for the millionth time :P
I'm sure you know about rings + Basalt Monolith, but I'll suggest it anyways. I don't see any mana dumps in your deck, though.
October 14, 2016 3:19 p.m.