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Based upon recent playtests I replaced 3 cards with cards I had in my possesion:
- -1 Voice of Resurgence - - - > +1 Crop Rotation
- -1 Mask of Avacyn - - - - - - -> +1 Overwhelming Stampede
- -1 Reya Dawnbringer - - - - -> +1 Tooth and Nail
The maybeboard still contains (recently) added cards which I still need to obtain or deserve a spot. But what should be replaced for it?
January 11, 2016 6:35 p.m.
I think Solemn Simulacrum is too slow for the deck personally. Horizon Canopy however is amazing. I think you should swap Bow of Nylea out for it. Bow seems a bit lackluster at this point, you have enough ways of resetting your graveyard.
Also, Dryad Arbor could be worth looking into. You can GSZ it turn one, it gives you a creature for Gaea's Cradle and it gives you a creature to pitch for Survival of the Fittest.
January 11, 2016 8:17 p.m. Edited.
Renoferoce says... #4
I would definitely add a Craterhoof Behemoth for extra win con...
January 11, 2016 10:27 p.m.
I don't play modern TheAlexGnan, just standard and commander. Since the rotations changed we decided to stick with commander. But this card is surely on my wishlist now!
Do you feel anything relevant for this deck is hitting the board with 'Oath of the Gatewatch'?
January 12, 2016 3:26 a.m.
@ enpc
I had my thoughts about Solemn Simulacrum as well. Turn 4 is not the ramp I was looking for. I will drop it from the Maybeboard. Horizon Canopy is just so sweet when Crucible of Worlds is out on the board xD...
Dryad Arbor seems like a top pick. What do you mean with 'GSZ it turn one'? Since it's a creature who normally have summoning sickness, does it prevent you from using him for mana the turn it comes into play?
And what do you think of Praetor's Counsel
January 12, 2016 3:35 a.m.
Renoferoce thanks for your suggestion. Since I can tutor nearly most of the WinCons I have in my deck I don't feel that this one will add something extra. I have to be lucky to draw it on the right time. It is good, don't get me wrong. But it's missing the legendary part for me to become immense! I don't think that the amount of creatures will make the difference in this build. But the creature size does. So drawing Overwhelming Stampede is a better draw during the endgame.
January 12, 2016 3:40 a.m.
Because Dryad Arbor is a zero CMC creature, if you have Green Sun's Zenith in your opening hand you can go turn one land into GSZ for X=0 meaning that you then go into turn 2 with 2 lands already in play.
As for Praetor's Counsel, it's ok in casual decks but it's far too slow here.
January 12, 2016 7:09 a.m. Edited.
Hi there! I'm not sure what cards are legal or which arent, have you considered Abundance as a ramper? Also, I find that you can build a deck which has a lower mana curve. Legendary creatures are not necessarily beefy, but provide loads of utility. In my opinion, you should aim for a specific strategy to win. So basically from your description I understand that you react to your opponents and play accordingly. How about having a strategy that will bring the game in your favour and make players have to react to you?
So basically, unless I am missing something crucial, I understand you have thrown in the legendary creatures and then the rampers to get them in. Try and make sense to them and get a solid and working strategy.
If you want a deck to have THE monsters, you might consider Mayael the Anima
Also, consider just simple filter cards such as Manamorphose that will let you draw a card for free or other cards like To Arms! that provide lots of utility and also let you draw.
January 16, 2016 8:58 a.m.
TheNextRedDude says... #10
Not an expert on the format, but looks fun and good! +1
January 16, 2016 6:48 p.m.
CWSchub: You can't run Manamorphose in the deck - it has red in the colour identity.
As for legendary creature costing, generally the lower costed legendaries are too underwhelming when it comes to usability in the deck. The higher costed creatures like Avacyn, Angel of Hope and Ulamog, the Ceaseless Hunger/Kozilek, Butcher of Truth are great for winning games but you need ramp to play them efficiently.
January 16, 2016 8:03 p.m.
Worldly Tutor and Horizon Canopy are great. Noxious Revival is ok, but it seems like it could be used. I like Lotus Cobra and sinvala, but i enjoy some good ramp.
+1 from me!
January 19, 2016 8:45 p.m.
Herrschlafanzug says... #13
I'd recommend Dosan the Falling Leaf to deal with those annoying control decks.
Honor-Worn Shaku can be a really good mana ramp card if you have a bunch of low drop utility legendary's like Gaddock Teeg, Hokori, Dust Drinker, and Reki, the History of Kamigawa. You'd most likely not want to swing with these guys, so you might as well use them for mana.
January 22, 2016 9:36 a.m.
Herrschlafanzug says... #14
Also, if you don't mind losing some friends, you can run cards that will "cheat" your expensive legends into play.
Cards like Elvish Piper, Defense of the Heart, Natural Order, and Quicksilver Amulet are great for cheating in fatties.
I would also recommend Vorinclex, Voice of Hunger and Mirari's Wake to double your mana.
January 22, 2016 9:41 a.m.
Herrschlafanzug: Pretty much all of the cards you suggested were in an earlier build of the deck, but were taken out for faster cards.
Dosan the Falling Leaf is worse than Dragonlord Dromoka as Dosan shuts down your instant speed removal.
The problem with a lot of the cheat cards is that if you focus on them over ramp, then if you lose access to them or don't draw them the whole deck stagnates. But if you put a good ramp package in the deck then you're not relying on less specific (and in this case not tutorable with your commander) cards that the deck needs to function.
January 22, 2016 6:42 p.m.
I agree with enpc about the suggestions left here lately by some. But thanks for all your contributions! They are always welcome...
@ ceji3 : I will defenitely keep Worldly Tutor on my maybeboard, as Im not sure what to change it for. It is becoming harder and harder to swap it in, as the cards in the mainboard are there for a solid reason. Tough choices!
Horizon Canopy is surely going to end up in the mainboard. Now to find myself a copy :-)
I believe that Noxious Revival is pretty decent, but that it not worth swapping it in. As I have enough graveyard control as it seems.
Lotus Cobra seems like a solid choice, especially in this current build where lands could end up on the battlefield pretty often per turn. Any suggestions as what to replace it for?
Selvala, Explorer Returned is still giving me mixed feelings...
January 22, 2016 8:39 p.m.
Cut Privileged Position for Lotus Cobra. More ramp is best! (get the promo one)
January 22, 2016 9:12 p.m.
Done!
Found myself a NM cheap russian copy! It was too cheap ($4) to let it pass :-) What do you think of Selvala, Explorer Returned ?
The carddraw is nice with the added mana. I play mostly 1 vs. 1. So I am somewhat reluctant to let my opponent get free draws too. Especially since I have alot of counters facing me lately.
January 23, 2016 4:45 a.m.
She's ok. I run her in my Saffi feck because it's cars advantage and ramp all in one but for you you can just play Sisay and tutor Kozilek, Butcher of Truth I dont think you need her.
January 23, 2016 4:07 p.m.
What is your opinion about Kozilek, the Great Distortion power overall and in a deck like this enpc ?
The idea that you could add a counter option to a toolbox deck sounds crazy! But with the recursion options available, It also sounds like it could add another option to this deck of many options.... even with the other carddraw engines available you could even 'fake' the counter possibilities. Just by having a full hand :-) God, I hate blue for this!
January 23, 2016 4:52 p.m.
YOUR deck would benefit much more from running Ulamog, the Infinite Gyre over new Kozilek. You're an aggro deck and the removal and annihilator are much more potent. You don't want to drag the game out controlling things, you're not a combo deck.
And unless you have Sisay onboard, more often than not you'll actually struggle to have the right CMC card in hand to pitch.
January 23, 2016 6:34 p.m.
JANKYARD_DOG says... #23
enpc was that 'Sisay Onboard' pun intentional? Lol.
Regarding untap effects, what about Sword of the Paruns or Umbral Mantle?
January 23, 2016 6:56 p.m.
I'll take credit for it :P
Untap effects like Umbral Mantle work best in combo builds, but I'm not sure if beatdown needs it. Generally yup just tutor for one big thing a turn and that's enough. Now if you were going to add Viridian Joiner as well as umbral mantle, then that's a different story :P
January 23, 2016 8:38 p.m.
Using Sisay twice a turn does give me a hot fuzzy feeling :p
Instill Energy is cheap , gives haste and doesn't use any mana
PartyJ says... #1
TheAlexGnan : Holy **** , this card Scapeshift never crossed my path yet. I might be too hyped, but it seems this is a true gamechanger for this build. Why haven't I seen this card before. Am I missing a flaw from this card while being all hyper 'bout this card?
January 11, 2016 6:03 p.m. Edited.