Yeah, good call.
I've got another card in the SB that exiles more stuff, so I'll just get rid of Complete Disregard.
March 22, 2016 7:29 a.m.
GeminiSpartanX says... #3
Adding a few Evolving Wilds will help activate Delirium for your To the Slaughters. I'm actually brewing this same idea for Modern myself, if you want to take a look. Right & Wrong, Black & White.....
March 22, 2016 7:42 a.m.
I thought about Evolving Wilds but I always have a policy to stick to only 4 tap lands per build, unless there is something absolutely remarkable to gain from having more.
Since I don't want Delerium to become a focus, and at the moment I'm able to achieve it regularly anyway, I'm going to avoid Evolving Wilds.
March 22, 2016 8:34 a.m.
Was thinking that Linvala, the Preserver or Ayli, Eternal Pilgrim might help you. Some extra lifegain isn't so bad since both of your planeswalkers +1 is costing you life. Just an idee
March 22, 2016 8:47 a.m.
Ignore the last comment, Sorin, Grim Nemesis is only costing your opponent life. Missed that.
March 22, 2016 8:51 a.m.
I actually had Ayli, Eternal Pilgrim in an earlier version but took her out when this skewed toward more Control.
I do have some life gain with the Lifelink abilities of Shambling Vent and Kalitas, Traitor of Ghet.
I would be very hesitant to put another high cost Creature in the deck.
I think Archangel Avacyn has more to offer this build than Linvala, the Preserver.
Thanks for the ideas, though!
March 22, 2016 8:53 a.m.
Having thought about it a bit more I'm going to put Complete Disregard back in.
I know the synergy with Kalitas, Traitor of Ghet is not good, but it helps take care of Deathmist Raptor and Hangarback Walker in my local meta.
March 22, 2016 9:01 a.m.
Argeaux,
Oh this is going to be brutal.
Big +1 from me, though I hope I never see it on the other side of the table!
I was just about to comment on the lack of synergy with Complete Disregard ... never mind, lol.
Have you considered Westvale Abbey as an alternate win-con? With Kalitas on the table, 5 zombies should be easy ...
Good luck (and good skill) on the build!
March 22, 2016 10:14 a.m.
AgentGreen says... #10
That's a +1 Argeaux. I am looking at making a deck like this. I just need 2 more Caves and 2 more Vents.
But I would consider slotting in Anguished Unmaking. The exile removal for really cheap is very very hard to ignore.
March 22, 2016 11:38 a.m.
AgentGreen says... #11
Ok, scratch that (I really need to look at the whole story)
I'd mainboard Unmaking instead of sideboarding
March 22, 2016 11:39 a.m.
AgentGreen I prefer to Sideboard a card like Anguished Unmaking, and I'll explain why.
I don't like my Opponent to know all my tricks going into Game 2. If they don't know I have a big Exile card for sure, they may not board against it.
I like to get the "lie of the land" before bringing in my best removal card. I don't want it to take up space in my opening hand if I don't really need it.
I like to have clear Sideboarding "rules" for myself. I can easily take out Complete Disregard for that card.
Although the 3 life loss is a worthwhile price to pay, I want to make sure that I need to pay it first.
Feel free to share with me why you would Mainboard it. You might change my mind.
March 22, 2016 12:18 p.m.
clayperce good call on Westvale Abbey.
I had discounted it earlier when this deck had a different focus, but it's an easy include now.
March 22, 2016 12:24 p.m.
AgentGreen says... #14
Thinking about what you said Argeaux; it makes perfect sense and a great meta play. Your opponent may not be prepared for that and may leave them vulnerable to game 2
I will hope to build a deck just like this; just need the vents and the missing cards like duress
March 22, 2016 12:46 p.m.
If you build one like this AgentGreen let me know how it goes, and any tweaks you make to improve it.
March 22, 2016 12:52 p.m.
AgentGreen says... #16
Argeaux The only small suggestion I would do is swap out Tainted Remedy for Infinite Obliteration. Tainted Remedy only targets major lifegain decks, which isn't a huge thing in Standard
While you have big time control; you definitely want to have something to get rid of ever persistent threats like World Breaker before they hit the ground and screw with your land base
March 22, 2016 1:54 p.m.
I don't think avacyn is the answer to this deck. Yes, you have kalitas for zombie generation but that takes a full turn cycle from 4-5 to start producing them. I also don't see a viable way for her to flip consistently. Unless you don't want her to flip, than that is fine I suppose. And with how heavy you are on removal spells it kinda seems like a natural fit that I would recommend Mardu over B/W mostly because goblin dark-dwellers is extremely good in a jam my one creature and kill you with it. It would also allow you to have access to kolaghan's command and roast.
March 22, 2016 2:31 p.m.
One card I'm thinking could definitely find its way into this deck is Reave Soul It is incredibly underlooked but in truth is actually not bad at all, much better then Complete Disregard in my opinion even though it is lacking instant speed, up to you though since I have not played with those two cards very often. One thing I would also recommend in sideboard (at least 1 or 2 of them) is Descend upon the Sinful, It is a great universal boardwipe and kills the Eldrazi which is an added bonus. Let me know what you think about my suggestions but overall I love your approach to the new SOI standard ahead of us
March 22, 2016 10:31 p.m.
Zak11 I'm not going to play Mardu without Tri lands and Fetch lands. Too inconsistent.
udoomu you may have missed what I wrote in the Comments about Complete Disregard. My local meta is heavy with Hangarback Walker and Deathmist Raptor. Complete Disregard shuts down both of those. Reave Soul doesn't.
I don't really have a space for Descend upon the Sinful. This is a Control deck so the higher CMC card slots are reserved for Planeswalker and Creature cards.
Not really sure that I'd want to Exile my entire field, either. I will keep it in mind while testing and see if I need it.
March 23, 2016 2:06 a.m.
I've decided that I like the new Declaration in Stone card better than Complete Disregard.
It has more flexibility, while still hitting the stuff that I want to Exile around Turn 3.
I can use it to board wipe Tokens, get rid of Hangarback Walker and Deathmist Raptor, and hit Eldrazi in the late game.
I'm not too worried about it making Clues as I suspect those are going to prove quite costly to cash in.
I may need to adjust my mana base to include it, which is the only drawback.
March 23, 2016 2:29 a.m.
AgentGreen I didn't realise that you had suggested Infinite Obliteration.
It's an interesting card, for sure.
My meta is Casual FNM. A lot of players love their life gain. That's how they give themselves breathing room and recover from early aggro hits.
For that reason Tainted Remedy is a must. You should see people's faces when you play it!
World Breaker doesn't get played much. They tend to go more for Ulamog and Kozilek.
That's why I have Exile cards and Planar Outburst. If I WAS going to swap cards for Infinite Obliteration it would probably be the Planar Outburst ones.
They are so good with gaining back Control of the board once a deck goes wide, though.
I think I will have to wait and see how my meta settles. It usually takes a couple of weeks before I see what the play tends to be.
It may turn out that Infinite Obliteration ends up making it into the SB.
March 23, 2016 9:37 a.m.
haysmafia1 says... #22
Flaying Tendrils is not good. Most decks are running X/3's now, plus it will hit all of your zombie tokens (Kalitas).
I would consider moving the 3x Languish to the board replacing with Secure the Wastes (combo finisher with Westvale Abbey).
March 23, 2016 11:59 p.m.
NotSquishedYet says... #23
What are your plans if your threats are removed? I see it in many control decks; if the player against you realizes that you are playing control, in a common style, it is easy to disrupt your game plan just enough to get a removal or an attack or two through. Without an extremely versatile control deck, which I have only seen one so much so, your 13 possible threats throughout the deck can be easily eliminated, and you are left with no way to deal damage or otherwise win. I have seen at least one top tier modern control deck taken down with ease by a standard budget aggro deck because it went too wide against zero board pressure, and its meager portion of removal was capable of removing every damage-dealing threat of the control deck so that it was dead in the water.
March 24, 2016 12:52 a.m.
NotSquishedYet let's look at the scenario you are positing.
I don't know how this aggro deck is going wide against zero board pressure when I can hose it with Flaying Tendrils and Languish and/or Planar Outburst.
As far as getting removal through, Duress is there to take care of that. Looking at an Opponent's hand can let me know their plans and let me anticipate them, or just plain remove them.
The deck you are describing sounds just about unbeatable if it can kill every one of my Creatures and Planeswalkers, and survive every board wipe.
What actual suggestions do you have to deal with this kind of deck? I didn't see you provide any answers, just a load of questions.
March 24, 2016 8:35 a.m.
haysmafia1 says... #25
Argeaux, I do like a one-of Necromantic Summons to bring Kalitas back (and he'll most likely get a pump off of spell mastery). Grasp of Darkness and Ultimate Price are going to see a lot of play in the new standard.
DieterD says... #1
Maybe replace Complete Disregard with Ultimate Price?Will trigger Kalitas, Traitor of Ghet more? Side in if you need exile.
March 22, 2016 4:05 a.m.