Adrekan Apparently you need reading glasses, not surprised.

First off; when you hit a token with Dec, it hits ALL copies of that token, and; this is the best part, they don't leave clues behind because the clue clause hits non-token creatures.

Now, here's the other kicker; your little scheme will work using the displacer's , but guess what, he's going to backfire hard. You hit creature Giddeon with it, oh, it returns to the battlefield...with ALL loyalty back AND the player can either drop a token or emblem on 2nd main.

Ormandahl, ok, you got me there. But if you're dealing with an army of tokens; say, 8.

Are you going to have to deal with them? Probably not. I would rather spend and kill all 8

Don't forget I've also got Anguished Unmaking and To the Slaughter for Ormendahl.

It's actually never caused me a problem.

Play nicely, people. We can put forth opinions in a respectful way. We're not children.

Also, don't assume everyone on TappedOut is male. Just saying.

I almost missed out on this little squabble. And here I thought it was going to be a peaceful day on T/O.

Good thing I was still subbed. :P

In all seriousness now.

Argeaux - You see anything from EMN that could breathe some life into this deck or are you going to move into bigger and better things overall?

I think I'm pretty much going to ditch this.

Nephalia Academy makes Duress next to useless, and that's a fairly key piece.

It could still be played if the Opponent doesn't have that land, and Grip of Desolation could get rid of Nephalia Academy anyway, but I've had enough of playing this deck for now.

I'm currently working on Regurgitate [EMN]

Yeah I was scouring gatherer for a new infinite combo earlier and stared at Nephalia Academy for a few minutes. Was questioning if it's actually going to see play. Currently has no hype pricing but the Pro Tour tells all.

I'll take a peek at your other deck.

Still love this deck and that you brought forth a solid archetype that used the much unloved Sorin, Grim Nemesis.

I don't think it's going to see much play either

It's a fantastic sideboard card that will shield you from hand hate, but beyond that there's not much there

AgentGreen with the reveal of Yahenni's Expertise this deck may be viable again.

I need a good four of to round out my Sideboard, but I may give this a go next season.

Argeaux Dump Forsaken Sanctuary for Concealed Courtyard. Having the chance to use that mana right away is HUGE

I'm in the process of picking up 3 copies of Liliana, the Last Hope so I'm going to be fiddling around to make that happen. You're absolutely right that Yahenni's Expertise makes control a thing, and I am excited for that prospect

Ah yes, you are right re: the lands.

That was just an oversight on my part.

I tried Liliana, the Last Hope in a Rakdos build but I could never make her survive.

She might work in this, due to all the removal. I'll have to test her.

I'd probably remove Gideon, Ally of Zendikar in the Sideboard for her.

For me Liliana acts as a tank/removal magnet; when she's down the opponent has to deal with her in a hurry or risk getting overran with Zombies

I see her the same way, AgentGreen. I kind of think of her as : Roll a D20. If 1-16, soak up at least 4 damage. If 17-19, soak up some damage plus pull something nasty from Graveyard. If 20, win the game.

Exactly clayperce, plus you can combo her off with Yahenni's Expertise

Play Expertise; clear the board, drop Lili, +1 and kill off a 4 toughness creature

You both make interesting points, although I'm not sure how she soaks up 4 damage clayperce.

My biggest thing is that I probably can't have her and Gideon, Ally of Zendikar in the Sideboard, and he is how I beat aggro decks.

I would not run her Mainboard as the other two Planeswalkers have draw and destroy abilities, which are essential for this type of deck.

Argeaux,
Yeah, I didn't explain that well. Though I can successfully race almost any other Planeswalker (including Gideon), Lili has to be answered. So I have to attack Lili (or redirect Burn to her) instead of my opponent. And because opponents almost always +1 her, she's usually starts with 4 Loyalty. So her worst case feels a lot like a "Gain 4 life" effect.

I truly have no idea if she'd be good for this deck, and I'm certainly never happy to see either her or Gideon. But from my (admittedly very narrow) perspective, Lili is actually worse (for me, I mean).

I understand what you mean, now.

I guess in some ways she actually soaks up 6, because she also nerfs a Creature to give it 2 less damage.

It may just come down to meta. My local meta is a very strange one.

Gideon and Liliana are only going to last for one turn. So Gideon will drop a Creature and Lili will nerf a Creature.

The most success I've had with a Planeswalker lately was Chandra, Torch of Defiance. I often got to ultimate her and she easily stayed around for a couple of turns.

I will do some practice and see if I like how Liliana, the Last Hope works. I couldn't see how Gideon would work for me originally, until I found that he was good against aggro decks.

The good thing is that I have a playset of her, so it won't cost me anything if I decide to add her.

AgentGreen I played this deck in the current Standard for the first time tonight.

It performed really well, even with me making a few mistakes with my plays.

clayperce and AgentGreen you were spot on about Liliana.

With all the removal I have it was fairly easy to protect her and get her Emblem out.

Told ya Argeaux. Once she's down it doesn't matter what type of deck your opponent has; if they can't deal with Liliana she will overrun you

AgentGreen it's the "dealing with" part that's problematic.

I played her in one game and she got wrecked straight away by Ruinous Path.

The fellow I got her Emblem out against said that he didn't have any Ruinous Path in his Sideboard, even though he was playing .

I have no idea why. Maybe he will add some now.

However, the game she worked in was glorious, so she's staying for now.

That's the point; they burn a Ruinous Path on her, and that's one less removal against Avacyn or Kalitas

Well yeah, that's Magic in a nutshell.

Also it's why Gideon, Ally of Zendikar is sometimes better than Liliana, the Last Hope.

Unless he is countered he will always make a knight or an emblem.

Argeaux do you find yourself getting more consistent land drops with 26 lands? I know you don't have any draw spells but do you find you run into blocks of land per turn and run into trouble?

AgentGreen I haven't actually played a tournament with 26 Lands, yet.

It's been a meta call. I usually play Control with 26 Lands because I can't afford to miss land drops.

This has become even more important facing a deck that plays Elder Deep-Fiend which taps my Lands.

I have also often found myself wishing I had land on Turn 3 or 4, which I didn't have.

I'll let you know how this goes at tournament.

Tournament means any tournament sanctioned by Wizards.

Magic Tournament Rules

Meta refers to both the meta overall, and the meta at a local level.

Magic Meta Game

Nope. I didn't.

I mean all of them.

Ooooh Lay Bare the Heart and Lost Legacy! Declaration in Stone could be good again if Zombies becomes a thing... +1