I would appreciate it guys. Sorry I've just never played something like this before. I really do want to play a more political game. I'll continue to think on it.

See I didn't even know that card existed lol that is BAD oh well that's why she's only a very rough draft XD

Don't be sorry, we've all had to nerf cards before. It is something pretty much everyone has gone through at least once. You cause no trouble at all, discussing and collaboration was why this page was made. :)

EDIT- I got Ninja'd!

So, you're trying to make a Smokestack/Plague Boiler commander? I like the concept, but it needs to be worded differently. Hmm, not sure at the moment, I'll have to get back to you on that one.

(I don't like the concept. I've played against similar decks in EDH even without a commander that specifically helps that strategy, and it is miserable. My two-cents.)

Alright I'll put it to a vote. Who wants to see Plague Boiler/Smokestack the commander and who thinks I should rehash it? (I'm totally down for rehashing all I really want a B/W commander with some sacrifice shenanigans.

I had a few ideas for nerfing that bad boy:

What if the counters grew more slowly - like have a limit of one per turn?

What if it cost something to add a counter as well as remove a counter?

What if counters were added only on its controller's turn and only during a specific phase like the upkeep phase?

What if the creature had a higher CMC - I have no problem myself with powerful effects so long as they happen sufficiently late in the game.

I would like for you to rehash, but I don't know how to make a good B/W Sacrifice shenanigans commander.

OH I DO PICK ME PICK ME gimme a second.

I cast a vote at the rehash side. Other participants have expressed concern to me about it affecting the casual experience.

I am for this democratic vote though, so let's go with this way.

What about something like:

" - You may sac a creature, if you do, each other player must sac a creature."

?

NoviceMagician has a point, but if we were to do that, might as well make it

I like it. It's sort of like Savra, Queen of the Golgari.

That's the influence lol

Yeh, that version is much better.

Actually! To be fair. I should make it say White non-token otherwise it goes infinite and I don't want to be that guy lol

That or I could make her generate black spirit tokens.

Just put non-token in front of both of the effects. Boom, problem solved. XD

Yeah, definitely.

Hey guys, I got bored, so I decided to make another commander. Check it out.

Hot beans Fowler, hot beans...

Make that Plus +2 or something, because damn that is underpowered as shit.

I think I'd want to use it if we ever have another tournament or something. Or, I could just another deck and decide which I like better. Idk. I do like rakdos better than sultai for some reason. Again, idk...

@Trockenmatt Well, the original was just the planeswalker at a 4 cost, but since I turned it into a split card, what do you think should be better?