TheFoilAjani says... #2
maxami868, I do like your suggestions. I do like PrimeTime, but it's a little expensive for me right now. I prefer the singleton BigDaddyGrisel, but I need more ways to get him out. Through the Breach is also a little expensive, so is TtB or TnN better?
August 20, 2015 11:05 a.m.
Through the breach is a lot cheaper (mana), however tooth and nail doesn't require you to have griselbrand in hand and let's you search for another creature as well. Also, tooth and nail lets you keep the griselbrand for more than a turn, but with the amount of beat down damage you've already done, it seems like there's no need to keep it any more than one turn. I'd say if you are sticking to one griselbrand, tooth and nail is the best bet, but if you are running more grielbrands or decide to run prime times, through the breach is what you'll want. There's also Chord of Calling.
August 20, 2015 10:07 p.m.
TheFoilAjani says... #4
maxami868, you do bring up good points. I think I'll stick with Tooth and Nail. I would rather get a few guys for a relatively long time, rather than lose them for cheaper many. I do need to add more TnN though :P. Thanks for your help!
August 21, 2015 2:02 p.m.
NoPantsParade says... #5
Eidolon of the Great Revel is much better than Scab-Clan Berserker.
August 25, 2015 9:32 p.m.
TheFoilAjani says... #6
NoPantsParade Thank you so much for taking time to comment on my deck! I really appreciate it! I really respect you as a very good deck builder. Well, I guess now down to business.
For this deck, I am consciously avoiding Eidolon of the Great Revel. Not for budget reasons, but for actually good reasons. Here there are; 1. Scab-Clan Berserker doesn't hurt me. Yes, that does sound a little dumb. It's the opposite reason new players don't think Eidolon of the Great Revel is very good. But hear me out; 72.2% of my spells are CMC 3 or less. This deck isn't an agro deck. Eidolon will kill me. 2. Scab-Clan Berserker has a certain power to swing out on turn 3; meaning that, if I curve out well, I can swing for a lot on turn 3(.) 3. Super strong against storm. Yes, Eidolon is also good, but the Scab-Clan Berserker just seems to really get there. Dunno. But seriously, I really appreciate it! Thanks for taking the time to comment and share your suggestion.
August 26, 2015 10:14 p.m.
NoPantsParade says... #8
Thanks. Sorry for the quick suggestion for I was about to leave, but I thought I'd drop one very quickly. Is there any reason for the lack of Stomping Grounds and Fire-Lit Thickets? I think an Evolutionary Leap could come out in favor of another Griselbrand, however. You could also run a Scapeshift-esque package with more Primeval Titans by taking out the Atarka's Commands for something like Search for Tomorrow or Sakura-Tribe Elder. Then add Valakut, the Molten Pinnacle. How has Collected Company been working for you?
August 27, 2015 2:08 p.m.
UpsetYoMama says... #9
I mean no offense with this.
But why wouldn't you play Bloom Titan or Grishoalbrand? Or even Green devotion? These decks have been tested and can stand the heat.
As it is you can't reliably cast Tooth and Nail until probably turn 5-6. And your creature count of CMC under 3 is far too low to run CoCo with any confidence.
Goblin Guide makes this deck seem all over the place. This should be taken up with either a ramp card or a cheat into play card. Which leads me back to why you aren't playing one of the decks I mentioned above, as they have already been fine-tuned.
I do like the interaction of Huntmaster with Evolutionary Leap. Seems good on the surface.
September 1, 2015 7:18 p.m.
TheFoilAjani says... #10
Apologies to MTGbrewer and NoPantsParade for my late response. School is a batch of dog meat cookies (My cat is looking at me after reading that sentence aloud and is like "PardonF*ck?").
MTGbrewer Thanks you for your suggestion. I think I will pass on Fracturing Gust as it is a little too slow against affinity.
(I'll finish the responses later today/tomorrow)
September 1, 2015 8:30 p.m.
TheFoilAjani says... #11
I've been putting this of all day, but no point in waiting :P. Time to finish this stuff up.
NoPantsParade Thanks for your comment and suggestions! I really appreciate it. So first of all, I don't want this to turn into a Scapshift type deck. I want this to stay in the current direction it is. However, if I were looking to move in that area, the ways you suggested are definitely how I would do it. As you asked, CoCo does a lot for me, thanks for asking! Also the missing land is due to budget and not like filter lands.
UpsetYoMama, I will also try to be non-offensive with this, so bear with me. So first off, I hate it when people tell me to play a deck. That is so unhelpful and ridiculous. I would rather you provide a bad suggestion and have tried to help out rather than try to compare a competitive deck with this one. This deck is still developing. That is why I need actual suggestions. So onto your other comments. First off, Tooth and Nail doesn't need to be cast that early. It just needs to be cast. And I would disagree that CoCo doesn't hit much. It hits quite often, actually. As for Goblin Guide, yes, it would seem that it is kinda all over the place. But quite honestly it works. I get a few turn 4-5 wins, even if my opponent isn't a goldfish. However, I am willing to play -1 Goblin Guide for a Birds of Paradise, and -1 Goblin Guide for a Tooth and Nail. That's all. I will think about it.
September 2, 2015 9:47 p.m.
UpsetYoMama says... #12
I was not offended. My comment was designed to make you a little pissed off, to be honest. I wanted you to think really hard about your deck and its viability.
Have you played this deck in a competitive modern environment? What were the results? I'd like some hard data.
I may have a few suggestions for you, I will have to think about it.
Your last comment also shows that you are leaning towards inflexibility, in that you are already "set" in playing a card or a certain number of cards. I don't mind being "that guy" on deck comments, just wanted to point it out. Personally, I really like when someone vocally challenges cards in my deck, because it forces me to defend those cards and prove their role in the deck.
September 2, 2015 10:33 p.m.
Why run Griselbrandvwhen you can have Emrakul, the Aeons Torn? Seems like the extra turn and protection would allow you to just outright the game when you cheat him in, even if up it is for just a turn with a card like Through the Breach.
September 3, 2015 9:44 p.m.
TheFoilAjani says... #14
Penga, when I cheat in Emmy, she doesn't give me a turn. I have to cast her. Thanks for the suggestion though.
September 3, 2015 10:19 p.m.
Shoot, I've been misreading Emrakul for awhile now. Thanks for pointing that out! :)
September 4, 2015 3:30 p.m.
Love it. Not your average Modern deck, and still very competitive. Kudos +1
September 5, 2015 3:53 p.m. Edited.
TheFoilAjani says... #17
maxami868 NoPantsParade MTGbrewer UpsetYoMama Penga DarkHero Hey y'all, you guys commented on my deck page before, what do you think of where it is now? I'm not sure which direction it should go. Should I go more combo? Or should I stay resistant with a Huntmaster combo build? Finally, should I try for a chaos build? Tell me your thoughts. The deck has changed a lot since it was first posted.
October 21, 2015 9:01 p.m.
It kind of feels like you half want to be doing the Arbor Elf/Voyaging Satyr/Utopia Sprawl deck in to a T3/T4 Emrakul, and half want to be doing a midrange deck with control elements, and the final result is that you do neither well.
If you're playing midrange you have these weird dead cards that you can't cast like Emrakul or Griselbrand. If you're doing combo you have these weird dead cards that don't help at all like Lightning Bolt.
That's the problem with mixing two archetypes - you get lots of dead draws and the whole thing becomes inconsistent.
Why don't you take out Emrakul, Tooth and Nail, Fury of the Horde, Griselbrand, and Surrak, and instead focus on a midrange deck that curves out at 5cmc. You can go for Thragtusk and lots of other cool options or Spellbreaker Behemoth. Those card slots you just freed up could become control spells such as Roast or something.
If you do that you retain a few big fatty creatures but you don't depend on combo elements to get them out.
October 24, 2015 7:17 a.m.
lemmingllama says... #19
Consider adding in a Overgrown Tomb or Blood Crypt to make it easier to cast your sideboard cards. This way it won't be necessary to have a mana dork.
Also is Fury of the Horde really necessary? It doesn't really seem needed in here.
Surrak Dragonclaw seems more of a sideboard card against control decks. Consider moving him there.
Tainted Remedy could easily be Rain of Gore. You won't be giving them any life, so no point in spending the extra mana.
Also maybe look into Summoning Trap over See the Unwritten. It could potentially be more potent for you.
October 24, 2015 7:18 a.m.
If you play a lot of control decks then you have options like Thrun, the Last Troll for example, and Raging Ravine is also fantastic.
October 24, 2015 7:19 a.m.
lemmingllama - He is playing both Scavenging Ooze and Huntmaster of the Fells. Both grant appreciable lifegain.
October 24, 2015 7:25 a.m.
lemmingllama says... #22
@ChiefBell Ah, I forgot it affected all players. Feel free to drop the Rain of Gore recommendation.
October 24, 2015 7:35 a.m.
TheFoilAjani says... #23
ChiefBell Thank you so much for taking time to comment! There tends to be a theme between all my decks; they are all over the place. So I definitely agree with the sentiment that this deck is trying to do too much. I'm not sure I want to go the more creature-based route, but it seems stronger and I do like a lot of the cards that would go in. I like the idea of playing creatures that either hurt my opponent's strategy or make it so they can't interact with me. Would cards like Kitchen Finks and Acidic Slime be useful? It is also nice to have some relevent removal. So overall I agree that I need to build the deck to go all in one strategy, so I will attempt to do so if possible.
This question is for both lemmingllama and ChiefBell; is the black splash worth it? Why? If so, should I make it so that non-sideboard cards use black?
lemmingllama So thank you for making suggestions! I really need them. So anyway, as asked above, is the black splash worth it? I'm honestly not sure.
Fury of the Horde is definitely unnecessary. I was kind of trying the Grishoalbrand plan at one point, that card is the leftover one.
Surrak Dragonclaw is really, really good, but it makes sense as sideboard.
If I was to play Summoning Trap I would swaps Surraks for Trap.
Rain of Gore was already covered.
October 24, 2015 11:03 a.m.
TheFoilAjani says... #24
Quick question, how do I fix my sideboard? I crammed in way too many anti-affinity cards.
October 24, 2015 11:04 a.m.
Kitchen Finks is hard to touch. Thrun, the Last Troll essentially can't be touched. Thragtusk leaves tokens behind.
Run 3 artifact hatred cards, and 2 board sweepers. That'll mean you can go heavy on affinity but also have relevant cards versus say, merfolk, and also relevant cards versus Tron. Affinity is hit by the overlap between sweepers and artifact hatred, if you see what I mean.
maxami868 says... #1
Primeval Titan seems good here. Also, you could try adding more giant creatures like Griselbrand, and run Through the Breach so you can cheat even more.
August 20, 2015 9:36 a.m.