JessieMessy says... #2
LVL_666 the dual lands are a great.... check out my flashy deck kind of thing... don't get me wrong I may end up adding mine into my deck but have noted they really are unnecessary. So many other suitable sups around at much less cost, I mean for just one Tundra you could get play-set of foil Polluted Delta right now. but that's just me :) or all of the allied fetches.
July 15, 2016 5:19 p.m.
JessieMessy Don't always go by TCG prices. On StarCityGames, I could get a Tundra for $152 dollars.
July 15, 2016 8:20 p.m.
JessieMessy says... #4
Ok ok... on the serious, have you though about running Eldrazi Monument... yeah it works best when Sliver Queen is online but its a stout one none the less. If you run Aggravated Assault I second running a Ashnod's Altar andUrza's Incubator. Which btw are both on the super cheap with the current reprints. I know and see the fix is in when it comes to mana but a Crystal Quarry does work when you cant seem to tutor for or align that 5 color matrix.
July 16, 2016 1:50 p.m.
JessieMessy Funny, at one point both of those cards were in this deck. Each eventually got filtered out, but there are times when I wish Crystal Quarry was still in, just for those rare situations where I wouldn't be able to Fetch all five different types of mana. The question is...what to cut? The only card I could think of is Sungrass Prairie. Maybe. I don't know honestly.
Eldrazi Monument - I feel conflicted over this one. This card was cut because it was simply too costly for what it granted. mana and having to sac a creature each turn just isn't efficient enough.
July 16, 2016 7:59 p.m.
JessieMessy says... #6
Yeah very true on Eldrazi Monument its like that extra poke in the eye after you have a wincon to deflate them from ever liking your deck again. I run filter-lands in a couple CC decks... I can tell you, they are so great on paper. Its usually when I lose because of a draw into a specific card that does not help. This generally aides my decision to cut it from the deck. Then I just throw in a card I had been wondering about.
Personally I would -1 Synapse Sliver At 5 CMC you should be pulling in your CC. At that point card draw is a joke as you can tutor for anything you need. At that point the Crystal Quarry would aid in this.
July 17, 2016 2:52 p.m.
JessieMessy, I would cut Synapse Sliver if I could. The problem is that there aren't many Slivers that can reliably draw me cards. Synapse and Dormant Sliver are currently the best for the job. Synapse feeds more into the aggro backup plan where if I'm somehow unable to Queen out, then at the very least I can put Synapse into play alongside Brood Sliver in order to maintain some sort of card advantage. If there were a cheaper CMC wise option, i'd definitely play it. Hmm, now i'm considering removing Synapse for Shifting Sliver. Shifting is more aggro, but unfortunately I don't get to draw any cards. Thoughts?
July 17, 2016 9:50 p.m.
JessieMessy, I would cut Synapse Sliver if I could. The problem is that there aren't many Slivers that can reliably draw me cards. Synapse and Dormant Sliver are currently the best for the job. Synapse feeds more into the aggro backup plan where if I'm somehow unable to Queen combo out, then at the very least I can put Synapse into play alongside Brood Sliver and some how hope to get past the opponent's creatures in order to maintain some sort of card advantage. If there were a cheaper CMC wise option, i'd definitely play it. Hmm, now i'm considering removing Synapse for Shifting Sliver. Shifting is more aggro, but unfortunately I don't get to draw any cards. Thoughts?
July 17, 2016 10:03 p.m.
I really would like to see some new slivers. I only started magic at around Journey into Nyx and I read a lot of the lore but not by any means of all the older lore, so I'm not sure if this is likely?
July 17, 2016 10:48 p.m.
Slivers are by far my favourite creature type in magic and that's why I was asking this.
July 17, 2016 10:50 p.m.
JessieMessy says... #11
LVL_666 Shifting Sliver is awesome for aggro, same with Ward Sliver. At the least if your Wild Pair is online they can both be tutored easily considering all the other 2/2 Slivers. Plus the Shifting Sliver is one turn sooner... When my deck was pure swarm/aggro I ran 42 Slivers lol. Talk about Flavor!
July 18, 2016 12:47 a.m.
Sarkhan_Dragonclaw348 says... #14
Question: What's the point of having Misty Rainforest, Wooded Foothills, Windswept Heath, et cetera if you've got no basic lands? You've lost me there. Other than that, it's a nice deck. Just make sure you can play the cards that you put into it.
July 22, 2016 7:31 p.m.
Answer: Sarkhan_Dragonclaw348 elementary my dear Dragonclaw348: With Misty Rainforest and the like, I am able to tutor for just about any single dual land of my choosing. If you read the card, it says "Search your Library for a Forest or Island card..." That doesn't restrict my tutoring for a BASIC land. It means any card that is a "Forest" or an "Island" type. Hence I could tutor for Tropical Island, Breeding Pool, Volcanic Island, Bayou, Overgrown Tomb, Hallowed Fountain, Steam Vents, Stomping Ground, Temple Garden, Tundra, Underground Sea, or Watery Grave. I could almost get any kind of mana I need at a moment's notice with one of those tutors. Again, read the card. It doesn't specify basic lands. If you look at something like a Bant Panorama that explicitly states that I am restricted to Basic lands.
July 22, 2016 9:43 p.m. Edited.
JessieMessy says... #16
LVL_666 How about take out Skycloud Expanse or one of the other filter lands for Crucible of Worlds. I think a deck with so mutch fetch the ability to do it every turn would help out more.
July 23, 2016 1:40 a.m.
Hey bud, I am curious to know why Amoeboid Changeling are in sliver decks,
I understand the changeling ability synergies with slivers, but I am not sure about its tap abilities??
July 23, 2016 3:28 a.m.
@ Comfordor - Hey pal, read my deck description. It's not just there for show. The Hivestone > Combos and Synergies. That ought to answer your question right there :)
July 23, 2016 8:34 a.m. Edited.
@ JessieMessy Thank for your input, the hive is pleased. Crucible of Worlds is a very interesting card. Sure, my tutoring cards would benefit but the artifact itself doesn't produce any mana. That's a no-go in my book. What's most important in this deck is raw mana production. There's no guarantee that i'll be able to generate that or when I need it if one of the odyssey filter lands were removed. Awesome suggestion, and awesome card though.
July 23, 2016 8:42 a.m.
Sarkhan_Dragonclaw348 says... #20
Excuse me. This is the second time in two days that I've messed up on something like that; I am going to stop pointing out things I think are wrong now. Instead, let me see if I can give you some inexperienced pointers.
First: If you don't want Crucible of Worlds like was mentioned, you may not want Yawgmoth's Will, either, since they both do essentially the same thing and this one required more manafixing. Also, if you rely on the creatures and not the lands for manafixing, remember what you said about one of the deck's weaknesses being well-timed mass removal.
Second: If you don't want to spend that much money on manafixing, though I read it doesn't bother you, try finding Slivers in different colors that do similar things. You probably already thought of this, though, and you did give a good explanation as to why the deck is five-color.
Third: Focusing the deck on a particular strategy is probably a good idea. It does make for a game-to-game uniqueness, certainly, but having an infinite-draw combo and Wheel of Fortune is going to make one or the other just sit in your hand or on the field until you can make infinite mana to cast all of it (which, in this case, is not too unlikely).
Sorry if this doesn't help you, but I feel obligated to say something after making a glaring error.
July 23, 2016 4:58 p.m.
It's okay, Sarkhan_Dragonclaw348 we all make mistakes. The only thing important is that we learn from them. To be frank, when you made your earlier comment about the possible incompatibility between fetchlands and original duals I had to do a sanity check myself and make sure I was right. So no worries.
In regards to the usefulness of Yawgmoth's Will (YW), it's a card that's meant for a very specific situation: A card I need (land or otherwise) is in the graveyard in the late game. This is one of the two cards in the deck (the other being Patriarch's Bidding) that are meant to help me recover from a big removal event. Crucible of Worlds (CoW) would probably play more like a mana rock. While I do like the idea of having another rock in the deck, only the seven fetchlands I have in the deck would have any synergy. Early game this card would be awesome. But late game? Not so much. YW is a key part to the deck's survival in the late game. If a combo piece is in the graveyard, and one of my opponents is about to combo out next turn then I need a means of getting to that card. CoW is an awesome, but it's beneficial for only a short window of time, and doesn't necessarily help me out of a situation.
I decided to just pour funds into the deck because I love Slivers (and more importantly Magic the Gathering). I want to make the best possible Sliver deck in this game, so while I do regret having to spend so much money, i'll be happy that I done so. Slivers are among the most iconic creature types in magic, so they need to have the best possible cards to back them up.
The both of the deck's strategies requires me to constantly be dumping cards out onto the battlefield. Slivers do my no good by staying in my hand. The only problem is, is that there are times when I've just about played everything in my hand, and need more cards. Wheel of Fortune is ideal for that situation. I do realize that yes it will indeed just sit in my hand, but not for long. Slivers are pushed out onto the battlefield rather quickly, so they won't be sitting in my hand, and I always play at least one of my two important enchantment cards Wild Pair or Mana Echoes. Besides, I have Yawgmoth's Will and Patriarch's Bidding just in case there was something I may have needed.
Every bit of criticism and critique helps. At the very least it can help me scrutinize parts of the deck I didn't think about. Thanks for the input. The Hive is pleased.
July 24, 2016 8:52 a.m. Edited.
Sarkhan_Dragonclaw348 says... #22
That all makes sense. Glad I could give a bit of speculative insight.
July 24, 2016 9:37 a.m.
ComptinaDaemonium says... #23
Cryptolith Rite became an auto include for me as my 3rd mana sliver, so I thought i would share the idea for yourself. Also, Ashnods alter functions as a second Basaal Sliver.
Other than that, I really love what you've done with this page!
August 2, 2016 10:10 p.m.
ComptinaDaemonium, thank you for the input. The hive is pleased. I think Cryptolith Rite is an awesome card. It's got some unique advantages/disadvantages...
advantages: It doesn't get hurt by creature mass removal i.e. Wrath of God, and can be tutored for by Enlightened Tutor.
disadvantages: Requires me to populate the battlefield with creatures, and can be targeted through enchantment hate:Krosan Grip, Erase, Naturalize.
It's like a rock, but it depends on a populated battlefield. I feel apprehensive about including this because if I don't have any creatures on the field then this card is no good. On the flip side, if my battlefield is very populated then this card is pretty awesome. I think this card would be a "must include" if it also had "Tap: add any color mana to your mana pool".
As for Ashnod's Altar, that card would belong in a combo deck. A Sliver Queen (SQ) commander deck to be specific. Due to Sliver Overlord being in the deck, more control oriented cards like Vindicate need to be in it. SQ definitely has a strong presence in the deck, but she doesn't need to be bothered unless specific conditions are met (check The Hivestone > Mid Game). The deck wins through Aggro or Combo, but has a decent amount of control to keep the board state clear of truly big threats to the hive.
Oh, and thanks for the compliment! I worked hard to get this page looking good! I'm still not finished though...I have one more enhancement i'm trying to get working. Keep coming back to the hive!
August 3, 2016 8:52 a.m. Edited.
"I feel apprehensive about including this because if I don't have any creatures on the field then this card is no good."
If you are playing slivers and you don't have any creatures on the battlefield, you are all ready in trouble.
Easy answers to your negatives about Cryptolith Rite is to protect it and the creatures you are using with it with things like Privileged Position and Asceticism. There really is no downside to that card, especially in a creature heavy deck like slivers.
Mortlocke says... #1
Thank you Delta-117 for the suggestion. The Hive is pleased. Upon initial inspection, I think Aggravated Assault would belong in an aggro-sliver EDH build. But if I were to have Gemhide Sliver, Heart Sliver, and three more random slivers on the field then I could take infinite main phases. I don't think that counts as a wincon, but it could happen. I feel what the deck needs is possibly more spot removal? Maybe? I honestly don't know what the deck needs at the moment because all I can do is play test it here. This deck isn't fully assembled yet. Next weekend (the 22nd) I plan on acquiring a Tundra and a Flooded Plains. How? I'm going to help the guy who is selling them to me paint his deck. Hopefully things don't fall through, because I want those cards at a discounted price. I have another seller who needs help sorting his 20k plus cards, but that'll be another story. I'll post more details somewhere on this site, but yeah...i'm basically going to start doing odd jobs for my expensive dual lands.
July 15, 2016 2:27 p.m.