The Queen's Egg

Commander / EDH Mortlocke

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Barnze says... #1

Why don't you have these lands? Plateau,Scrubland,Savannah,Badlands,Taiga. I know because of money but it would be a faster mana curve

November 5, 2016 2:48 a.m.

Mortlocke says... #2

Barnze glad to hear that there are other Sliver players out there! I have quite a few of the slivers themselves, but i'm not sure if I have every single one. I'm likely going to acquire both Mirari's Wake and Prismatic Geoscope, and i'll swap each one in and make my final choice at a later date. I'm not certain on if Prismatic Geoscope will be better, because it's advantage is primarily in the earlier turns of the game. Late game, it hardly makes much of an impact as Mirari's Wake would. Initially, I kept out the rest of the original dual lands due to monetary constraints. I still have nine cards left to acquire - Tropical Island, Volcanic Island, and Gaea's Cradle and pretty much all of the fetches - Windswept Heath, Wooded Foothills, Verdant Catacombs, Scalding Tarn, Polluted Delta, and Misty Rainforest.

Once I get these cards off my list, then i'll turn my focus toward acquiring the original duals.

November 7, 2016 2:38 p.m.

_Delta_ says... #3

Hey LVL_666, someday I may consider making a sliver modern deck, and so I made up this decklist at a much earlier time. I'm not sure how familiar you are with modern compared to Edh, but how does it seem?

Collected Slivers

I really like slivers and I wanted to use them in a format such as modern, as I find slivers would make for much more of a deck I would find interesting than a tribe like Merfolk.

My only initial concern is how costly this deck already looks to build, I have very little of the deck, besides some of the creatures, and even these I'm lacking multiples of for most. Primarily I'm looking for suggestions on what I can change around in regards to the lands, as I would probably like to cut out the Verdant Catacombs to lower the cost, although I'm not sure what would be best to put in there place.

November 7, 2016 3:26 p.m.

Mortlocke says... #4

Delta-117, I would be more than happy to help another sliver player realize their goals. I'm not too familiar with the rules of modern, but a few quick google searches can help fix that. So, from what i'm understanding your primary concerns/goals for your modern slivers deck are:

  1. Keeping the cost down while still getting the mana you need when you need it.
  2. Choosing the best Slivers for the wincons of your deck.

Am I right in those assessments? If so, give me a little bit of time and i'll take a closer look at your deck and give my honest feedback.

November 7, 2016 6:52 p.m.

_Delta_ says... #5

Yes correct, that covers what I was trying to do. The deck I originally made with the help of looking at what some other types of decks do, such as Merfolk that make use of the card AEther Vial and have plenty of ways to buff their creatures. To get the mana base I Started by looking at what a few others did for their own sliver decks and tried to "merge" or take aspects from all of them.

I know for certain the Cavern of Souls and Sliver Hives will be necessary, but lands like the Verdant Catacombs I'm not so sure on.

There's a lot of different slivers offering a lot of variety in what you can do, one of the best options is to simply start getting out as many Sinew Slivers and Predatory Slivers to strengthen all of your creatures. The sideboard typically allows for even more options for a lot more slivers with most of them being able to be used alongside Collected Company.

I even have a pauper G/W sliver deck that already uses some of these very cards, and the first time I used it at a local Fnm I placed first with it. This deck used both the two slivers that I just mentioned (Sinew and Predator) plus Muscle Sliver, along with things like Rancor, and Sidewinder Sliver, and in a matter of turns they would be very hard to remove if you couldn't counter them when they entered, Lightning Bolt them, etc.

November 7, 2016 9:01 p.m.

Barnze says... #6

Delta-117

Do you have your decks posted? I like to look at it, if you don't mind

Hey LVL_666

I have all the original duals from all my years of playing and trading. I replaced some of the lands in the deck that make you tap or pay 2 life with those dual lands. I know it has monetary constraints on buying them but I believe it plays even faster than what it does now, which is still fast. I have Mirari's Wake which does a real sense of help when your trying to do your combos. I have the deck complete now. I will be playing it in the next commander toury soon I will let you know results. FYI if I win or someone ask me about the deck I will definitely give you the credit on building it. If you are not able to buy the cards right now I could give you one of my contacts that makes proxies for $2.5 a card. She make them as legit to the originals. There not fated or nothing. The feel and play the same as the originals. If I don't have those older or newer cards that are really expensive, I proxy them to play test it before I buy them. Plus my group allows me to play test those proxies, because they want to know if it is worth buying the real cards. Just let know.

November 10, 2016 3:50 a.m.

_Delta_ says... #7

Yes Barnze, just scroll up a little more to see the link to it. I probably won't get the chance to respond to any comment right away though as I'm quite busy at the moment. Although I will get to to it later if you do post something.

November 10, 2016 6:30 a.m.

Mortlocke says... #8

Barnze, im flattered that youd build and play my deck in your group, please tell me how it matches up against all the various decks it encounters. I decided to change up the deck list yet again, as I chose to drop Wild Pair in favor of Mana Crypt. Having an additional mana rock (a really good one might I add) with the inclusion of all original duals will help increase speed, which helps address one of the key concerns with the deck. I chose to swap out a number of lands that didnt seem to contribute as much as Id like. Swapping in the rest of the original duals means that I can really capitalize on the fetch lands. Thanks again for the suggestion, Barnze.

November 10, 2016 11:21 a.m.

Razulghul says... #9

@LVL_666 hey I was curious why you are running Enlightened Tutor instead of Demonic Tutor? In my experience playing both in edh the 2 for 1 card advantage loss of Enlightened can hurt, especially early on if you need to draw to hit land drops etc. The instant speed is nice when running Swords to Plowshares etc but since you aren't I was just wondering if Demonic would be a good upgrade?

November 10, 2016 12:50 p.m.

Mortlocke says... #11

dlamars, the reason why im running Enlightened Tutor is simply because I already own one. Outside of that I don't really have any reasons as to why I have it in the deck outside of tutoring for mana rocks, draw/top deck manipulation or Mana Echoes. Tutoring for Sylvan Library, Mirri's Guile, or Scroll Rack usually negates a lot of land draw issues early game. Would Demonic Tutor be a good upgrade? Yes - early game it'd still function in a fashion similar to Enlightened Tutor, but as you said it would net me one more card with that 2 for 1 advantage. Also. late game it would help me tutor directly into the one card I needed during my turn. The only issue is just acquiring a Demonic Tutor - I think I might've had one once upon a time, i'll have to check my collection to be sure.

November 12, 2016 10:38 p.m.

Barnze says... #12

LVL_666

Have you thought about Blood Moon? It could be a back up plan. Also have you consider a sideboard for this deck? I got 3 days before I play in the next Commander toury, wish me luck. I will post the results

November 16, 2016 12:16 a.m.

Mortlocke says... #13

If I were to put in Blood Moon, it'd be for Rhystic Study. I think Rhystic is a decent card, but it's too inconsistent for my taste. Most opponents can afford the extra , and pay it. BM is an interesting card in general, and doesn't hurt my manabase that much...i'll just use the dual lands that are already mountains. I'm going to test it out thanks for the suggestion Barnze.

November 16, 2016 8:03 a.m.

Mortlocke says... #14

Actually, Barnze...I think Blood Moon completely destroys my manabase. I thought that the nonbasic lands that are both a Mountain and a (any other land type) would still have it's other land type...that's not the case. Unless I get out one of my mana rocks that produces colored mana first, i'd be in a rough situation. I'll still continue to experiment with it though. That card is scary.

November 16, 2016 8:36 a.m.

_Delta_ says... #15

Although it can also affect your opponents, it might be worth it, since if you had out Manaweft Sliver and or Gemhide Sliver you can use your creatures for mana of course.

November 16, 2016 9:12 a.m.

Mortlocke says... #16

Delta-117 so...I just got this crazy bug of an idea to add to the deck - Timetwister. It's way above my price point, averaging at about $600 or $700 on ebay...but one can dream I guess. It's P9, so I get it. Maybe after finishing the deck I might be able to get one, one day...if my fiancee allows me...which she wont.

November 16, 2016 12:32 p.m.

_Delta_ says... #17

Yeah that would be a cool addition, it is expensive though.

November 16, 2016 2:56 p.m.

Barnze says... #18

LVL_666

Blood Moon is your late game move if you find yourself saying "Oh I'm F*" Also with Unnatural Selection/Amoeboid Changeling + Harsh Mercy combo recreate the board and control it. Also like Delta-117 said you have 2 mana slivers plus mana artifacts. It would be a late game move if all else failed.

Have you consider a side board? I'm going to create one after the toury so I know what I up against.

November 16, 2016 7:30 p.m.

Razulghul says... #19

Hey, sorry for just chiming in but wouldn't Armageddon be superior to Blood Moon if you have access to both? In mono red Blood Moon is an auto include of course, just seems a bit harsh with 5 color imo.

November 17, 2016 12:38 a.m.

Barnze says... #20

dlamars

That would be an option.... I don't like the CMC but you should have enough mana by late game to pull it off. Then just use your slivers and artifacts for mana. Good thought!

November 17, 2016 2 a.m.

Mortlocke says... #21

Barnze + dlamars - thank you both for all the feedback, the hive is most pleased. I've been trying to find another board wipe tool other than Harsh Mercy, but nothing has caught my eye. Honestly, I think it's a little bit weak. Blood Moon is definitely a card worth considering, and like I said before if it's going to be included, it'd swap it in for Rhystic Study most definitely. Armageddon's CMC is rather high for me. I'm trying to keep the overall CMC as low as possible so i'd sooner put in BM.

November 17, 2016 1:09 p.m.

Razulghul says... #22

I just have a problem with Blood Moon being 40 dollars lol. You also have access to Back to Basics which is awesome, 3 CMC and 9 dollars.

November 17, 2016 1:25 p.m.

Mortlocke says... #23

dlamars you said it on the whole $40 thing...honestly I don't have much issue with spending up to $200 for a card, so long as I truly feel it belongs in this deck. I spent $148 on a Gaea's Cradle, and it was in LP condition. I think I did good on that purchase. The only two truly expensive lands I have to after are Volcanic Island and Tropical Island. If I can justify the purchase, and somehow Blood Moon had some awesome synergy with the deck then i'd already have it in by now. Unfortunately, there isn't really much synergy to be had. Honestly, I think it's time for a Sliver Plainswalker...now that will definitely be a must include.

November 17, 2016 1:33 p.m.

Barnze says... #24

LVL_666 That's what I've been waiting for. A Sliver Planeswalker.

November 17, 2016 2:43 p.m.

Razulghul says... #25

Yeah, I was thinking about that the other day. None of the current plainswalkers would feel right in a sliver deck, I just don't understand enough about mtg lore to know whether a sliver walker is plausible.

BTW have you considered Mirror Entity? I haven't grabbed one yet though I plan to eventually. The synergy with Mana Echoes is kind of insane since they gain all creature types. Just paying 1 mana in response to an opponent playing creature(s) could potentially net you a ton of colorless mana for tutoring via your general. You can also Tutor for it and use it like an instant speed Anthem when needed.

November 17, 2016 3:32 p.m.

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