Competitive UB mill modern (2020 short guide)

Modern SentinelElf2711

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Darth_Savage says... #1

Hi SentinelElf2711,

First off, you probably want the full four copies of Fraying Sanity. I'd also recommend you have a look at Competitive Modern Mill by Peisistratos, you will find a host of useful info there.

April 26, 2018 9:12 a.m.

Thanks friend, I saw the deck you was talking about, but in my opinion is too slow :). Mill have to close fast, and in his deck he have too mutch spell that mill and no defenses, like Crypt incursion or Profane memento. I thin than the nihil spelltomb is too slow, Ravenous Trap in my opinion is better :)

April 27, 2018 5:54 a.m.

P.S. Sorry for my bad English...

April 27, 2018 5:55 a.m.

Darth_Savage says... #4

SentinelElf2711, no worries, but I'm not sure what you mean by no defence, Peisistratos deck uses 4x Darkness. This is a black fog, which can set your opponent back a turn for one mana and give you the opportunity to mill more, admittedly this isn't that helpful against burn. In terms of a direct suggestion for your deck Manic Scribe is cute, but Mind Funeral is probably more efficient, keep in mind that a fair few modern decks use a lot of fetch lands, then add in the effect of Field of Ruin so you can mill a surprising number of cards before hitting four land.

April 30, 2018 9:02 a.m.

Darth_Savage Your advices are good, Darkness is very good. Manic Scribe in my opinion is a beautiful card, can active delirium with Mesmeric Orb , and if you are not able to active delirium she can block lots of creatures in early.Mind Funeral is a "high risk" card, of course you can mill 20 cards with one Mind Funeral, but you can also spend 3 mana for milling 5 cards.

May 1, 2018 7:39 a.m.

Backinthefrey says... #6

im personally gonna agree with Darth_Savage here, as even if you play a one drop turn one, turn two an orb, and turn 3 an scribe. thats only gonna mill them an extra 3 cards 4 turns into the game, not to mention the the scribe is within range of Lightning Bolt and Fatal Push plus all the white removal the turn it drops. whereas Mind Funeral will mill a guranteed 4 cards at the very very worst. and unless they throw a counter in front of it, they cant stop you and make you have wasted a turn.

im also gonna recommend sideboard one to two copies of Fraying Sanity for the control or midrange match ups that are sure to go longer

May 20, 2018 3:23 p.m.

Backinthefrey I appreciate your advice, in fact i decided to add 1x of Mind Funeral and it works well! But i think that Manic Scribe is a really strong card, i will be happy if my opponent waste a Lightning Bolt on my Manic Scribe instead of my face. She is a good blocker too, versus burn she can for example block Goblin Guide. I know i have a lot of 2 drops and not many 3 drop, but at turn 3 I can play for example, a 1 drop and a 2 drop. For example: TURN 1: Darkslick Shores and Hedron Crab TURN 2: land and Manic Scribe or another 2 drop like Glimpse the Unthinkable, Mesmeric Orb) TURN 3: land, a 2 drop and a removal like Fatal Push, an Inquisition of Kozilek or a Thought Scour. I can also play an Ensnaring Bridge or the Mind Funeral.

Let me know what you think about this :)

June 1, 2018 8:07 a.m.

Dumgoldfish124 says... #8

How about Traumatize? With Fraying Sanity it takes out their whole deck in one turn. If you are concerned about speed you could just sideboard it in for more controlling match ups.

July 1, 2018 7:45 a.m.

Dumgoldfish124 I really appreciate your suggestion, but Traumatize is too slow, mill is an aggro deck, so on 4/5 you have already won. Traumatize can never be casted on turn 5 (usually you have not 5 mana on turn 5) so it is a high risk card. In fact you risk to have it in the hand on mulligan or to top deck in on turn 2/3: so in a lot of cases is a "dead draw". If you have other questions ask me :)

July 3, 2018 1:39 p.m.

KongMing says... #10

I appreciate the presence and idea of Ensnaring Bridge here, but if your goal is to win aggressively by Turn 6, does it even do anything for you? You have removal and counterspells for creatures, I would take out the Ensnaring Bridge for more Mind Funeral or Fraying Sanity.

Fraying Sanity is strong in this deck, because the opponent will often mill on your turn and theirs, making full use of its “each end step” trigger.

July 3, 2018 4:30 p.m. Edited.

KongMing says... #11

This seems like it would be one of your better starts to win by Turn 5-6:

Turn 1: Hedron Crab

Turn 2: Mesmeric Orb

Turn 3: Fraying Sanity

Turn 4: Mind Funeral or Glimpse the Unthinkable + Thought Scour/Inquisition of Kozilek

July 3, 2018 4:35 p.m.

Hi KongMing, thanx for your comment :) I think you are right: maybe there are better options than Ensnaring Bridge but vs some match-ups bridges are really strong, for example vs elves. But i think that MAYBE I can move them in the sideboard and add one more Mind Funeral and 2x of Search for azcanta . What do you think about it? Let me know :)

July 5, 2018 12:13 p.m.

6ixer says... #13

Snap caster mage? For flashing back some good mill cards like glimpse?? Just a thought

July 6, 2018 1:57 p.m.

6ixer Snapcaster Mage in not a bad card in mill, but there are better options, like Manic Scribe . If u cast her on turn 2 she mills 3 card for sure, she is a good wall with her stats and with delirium she can be a serious problem for your opponent if he don't remove her. Snapcaster Mageis strong only late game, because early you probably have not good spells in your graveyard. In my opinion Snapcaster Mage is too situational.

July 16, 2018 6:08 a.m.

6ixer says... #15

Thats fair... I was thinking obviously you not going to win with him because your not going to win damage wise. But he could chump block as well. Yeah they us better option s I'm just honestly a little biased because of seeing him in action in control.

July 17, 2018 12:48 p.m.

KongMing says... #16

Snapcaster Mage is best if you can reliably recur an Instant or Sorcery that can just win you the game when it resolves. In this case, it would be better late game to draw another direct mill card, or at least a body that doesn't immediately die to Goblin Chainwhirler. Another disappointment is that you can't use Snapcaster to recast Archive Trap with Flash for free.

If you have Delirium, Manic Scribe mills the opponent for 6 cards before their next draw step and puts a 0/3 body on the board. The Scribe is a more reliable draw and play at pretty much every stage of the game for this deck, as opposed to a trump card you hold until the number of cards in the opponent's library < the number of cards you can mill the turn you cast Snapcaster.

July 17, 2018 1:22 p.m.

sperrone1224 says... #17

I also run a very competitive mill deck that’s been play tested approved. Check it out .

July 18, 2018 3:43 p.m.

Joe9 says... #18

Why use Inquisition of Kozilek instead of Thoughtseize?

July 23, 2018 10:52 a.m.

Joe9 Because at the moment I have no money XD. Anyway, if you want to replace Inquisition of Kozilek is better to put in Collective Brutality than Thoughtseize because you can use it in more situations and you have not to pay life to cast it.

July 23, 2018 11:15 a.m.

Joe9 says... #20

SentinelElf2711 Great recommendation! While I love Thoughtseize for it's no-care attitude towards what is discarded, Collective Brutality is more versatile. I'll consider it in the future.

July 23, 2018 3:11 p.m.

generalrenard says... #21

Ashiok, Nightmare Weaver for a repeatable 3 cards a turn + the ability to steal a handy creature like a Tarmogoyf or a Snapcaster Mage. Though he does not synergize with Fraying Sanity and takes the same curve slot. Could the steal effect be worth the nonbo?

July 27, 2018 10:46 a.m.

It’s likely the best Mill deck I’ve seen in awhile. I like it yo

July 27, 2018 12:49 p.m.

nmiller says... #23

This looks like a great mill deck, although I am extremely biased against them because of some people I play with. My only suggestion would be to maybe add the Duskmantle Guildmage + Mindcrank combo. They would be each useless without the other piece, though, and you would have to rework your deck. It is an instant win, but still weak. Just an idea, though.

August 27, 2018 1:37 p.m.

nmiller It would be nice, but you have to build an entire different deck :)

September 10, 2018 6:39 a.m.

dharris0499 says... #25

Solid creature card you should consider is Jace's Phantasm become a big threat real quick

October 3, 2018 2:06 p.m.

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