Great job!

A+ you two.

Great primer--really considering this as an alternative to my current Oona build.

If you're playing tainted pact and thrasios, why not run lab maniac ? Unless you like just having only one win in using the loops.

check out my thrasios and tymna deck! its a hulk deck

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/tnt-hulk-loop-and-smash/

shadowmage See the "Notable Exclusions" and "Deck Modularity -> Alternate Wincons" section for LabMan discussion.

I'd also read the "Win Conditions" section -- there are 3 wincons: Copy/Scepter, Twister loops, Grace/Windfall.

Hi, what are your thoughts on intuition, LED and culling the weak. They seem like they would be quite good. Thanks for any advice!

Intuition is good but doesn't get us exactly what we want.

Lion's Eye Diamond enables explosive plays but is risky.

Culling the Weak gives burst mana bust gets rid of our mana sources for Scepter and Engine. Makes Ad Naus lines better.

Any of these are valid if they suit your playstyle. If you want your deck to be more Naus/Will focused, you could theoretically find slots for them all!

Jaceforlife17

First off, love the list and how compact it is.

As far as additional dorks go, what's your thoughts on Kiora's Follower? While it has the potential to be a bit slower, it gets dumb with and source that produces more than one mana as well as providing a blue mana symbol for Bloom Tender.

I run a Thrasios Scepter deck (Triton Weaver) which uses Freed from the Real as an alternate infinite mana outlet. It immediately combos with Bloom Tender, however I also use it with High Tide and either Follower or Arbor Elf. I know your thoughts on tide as a stand alone card, however I would be keen to get your thoughts on in inside the combo package. I do however run 10 Islands total to try and optimise it, so I understand there are differences between builds there too.

I have found a good overlap on combo pieces as well given that I also use Kiora's Follower to untap Birthing Pod which provides a one turn line from Thrasios through to Trinket Mage fetching Lion's Eye Diamond then into Auriok Salvagers.

Also with regards to Angel's Grace, how often are you finding you're casting Ad Nauseam with vs without it? I have found myself on the fence about AG for a while but have never been able to bring myself to run it given the deck, so it would be good to get some more opinions.

enpc

I'll go in order so we keep our thoughts straight haha.

Re: Kiora's Follower - We don't play this one since it's a 2 mana dork which does not hit Scepter threshold by itself. Priest and Tendies do. That's our reasoning.

Re: High Tide/Freed from the Real - We cut HT for the all-in tutor package, since the extra mana didn't outweigh having more raw dig power. For FrtR, we only pick roughly 2 combos and execute those as well as we can. Our choices were Scepter and the Grace/Naus win. FftR is a little bit more mana intensive for needing the right cards to go off, while Scepter just sorta asks for some non-land mana sources. I do agree that HT is a good card, though. Very much so. But it didn't have the punch that it does in storm or Doomsday. We sliced it and didn't miss it.

Re: Birthing Pod - Great card, but not for us. It's a card which finds its home in slower more stax/bears decks. By the time we play Pod and use it, we want to ideally be using the 4 mana to win. It also asks for a lot more cards which will end up hurting the theme of limiting dead cards to a minimum.

Re: Ad Nauseam - Often without. A common line is cast Ad Nauseam, dig, find Angel's Grace, get back Ad Nauseam in some way, and win immediately. Or just find the Scepter combo in the cards you drew. Both are good. It's also a plus that it can also be a - win the game instantly. It's an enormously powerful combo that is often how Esper (read Zur haha) decks win. Hilariously Doomsday in the Zur DD deck isn't really a priority.

I hope this helps answer some of your questions and suggestions about why we built the list the way we did. Thanks for checking it out.

Awesome primer! The exclusion of Lab Maniac and Walking Ballista as well as the inclusion of cards like Plunge into Darkness makes so much sense. Do you think Plunge is worth including in Breakfast Hulk lists?

Megalomania

I think it would sadly be dangerous, since Hulk has more moving parts and less redundancy. I think it might lose you the game too often.

Wow, I completely missed the “remove the rest from the game” part. Thanks!

For Plunge into Darkness, what value of X are you normally paying? I understand that it's situational, however is it typically in the 0-5 range? the 5-10 range?

enpc

Depends on what I need. If I'm digging for only 1 thing, very high, 20ish or more. Otherwise around 10 to 15 on average.

Base it on what you need and if you can lose to exiling all the win cons.

Surprised Strionic Resonator wasn't mentioned in the alternate wincons of the deck. It's combo with Paradox Engine is pretty famous among Arcum Dagsson players, and it can act as a secondary Isochron Scepter in some variations of the combo. Similarly many variants run Devoted Druid and Vizier of Remedies in their lists.

SynergyBuild

In PST though you aren't color restricted, and the Strionic combos ware not preferable over other alternate win conditions which also share cards across combos. Arcum is somewhat restricted in the combos he can play since he is only in mono-.

As far as the Druid combo goes, there isn't a driving force to introduce an infinite mana combo which is summoning sick. It's again more that there are stronger choices available even for alternates as opposed to those two combos being inherently poor. But with the selection of PST, the shortcomings of these combos can essentially be bypassed by choosing a different one as back up.

The alternate win conditions weren't supposed to be exhaustive as a collection, but more the alternates which have been the strongest choices for Thrasios lists but here are not chosen for a mainboard.