UmbrasDarkness

Ah no that's my bad. Thanks for the heads up. Fixed.

Not running Nature's Claim? Pretty bold.

Absolutely. I am in love with your guys deck. I have it fully "pimped" out as my primary deck I play in my Meta.

Dr3vvn45ty

Yeah, there are enough pieces of interaction I think it's fine to trim it for other things, and a good chunk of the deck is stack interaction.

Granted, Claim is good. Don't feel obligated to cut it should you feel it's stronger in your meta.

This list is just a metric, and really just a pile of good cards. You can play different good cards if you want.

AlwaysSleepy yea, no worries. I was just kinda surprised to see a green deck NOT running it. Makes sense tho.

So I understand the power of using your dorks as card draw with Tymna the Weaver , but I'm only seeing 4 white cards in the current list (6 if you count Noble Hierarch and Avacyn's Pilgrim ), so why are we still running Tymna the Weaver as our partner instead of Vial Smasher the Fierce . Wouldn't red give us additional interaction with Red Elemental Blast , Pyroblast , By Force , or maybe additional dig with Faithless Looting , Wheel of Fortune , or even Dack Fayden ? All of those seem higher impact than Silence , Smothering Tithe , and Dovin's Veto .

JaceNordark

And Enlightened Tutor .

The real answer is that Tymna the Weaver is an enormous card advantage engine, and the benefits she brings as a commander as a more or less expendable but monstrous value engine very quickly out scale some of the benefits the splash may bring.

So really the reason is this deck wants Tymna herself.

I am always iffy about Yawg's Will in my ST lists. How has it performed for you.

fegamaggot

The card itself is super bonk, so it's worth playing since it can dig out of holes by itself. I think it's better now with LabMan, you can use it to combo out with him. Pretty good overall. The deck just doesn't lean too much on it.

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Hey AlwaysSleepy,

it's been a while since I visited your list and I see that you also added the Consult-Labman package instead of the Engine now.

Somehow I didn't consider Jace, Wielder of Mysteries in my list... I still run Angel's Grace over it. I do see the point in having a second (main) wincon besides Labman though and a more flexible card in general, but the mana cost kinda annoys me. Would you recommend to switch these cards?

ToshiroU

I do recommend the switch just because the Consult plan is super resilient and plays through most board states.

Grace isn't specifically bad though but I think with Consult lines you can trim it.

Is there a reason this runs Lotus Petal and not Elvish Spirit Guide ? Is not ESG strictly better?

XaiLo my guess would be for Ad Nauseam to keep the curve low as possible.

ah, that makes sense.

Not to mention that Lotus Petal can produce mana of any colour.

Lotus Petal also works with Yawgmoth's Will.

As far as tutors go, what're your thoughts on Wargate ? I appreciate that it's a bit expensive mana wise, however given the fact that it puts the tutored permanent straight into play, when comparing it with something like Tezzeret the Seeker , Grim Tutor or Dark Petition (presumably the next best set of tutors that the deck doesn't currently run) it ends up being the same cost to put an Isochron Scepter into play.

The other benefit of Wargate is that you only reveal on resolution, meaning you can get something like Gilded Drake or Notion Thief without giving away said information until it happens. It also pseudo-protects whatever you're fetching since if the spell is countered, it just leaves the card in the library. And since the deck has a lot more tutors that it does graveyard recursion, it opens up additional attempts to get said card rather than leaving it vulnerable to graveyard hate.

enpc

The reason it doesn't quite make it is it's color intensive and slow overall for what the deck wants.

It's not a bad card for sure - but I don't think Wargate adds a dimension to the deck other tutors don't already add in a more efficient manner.

Like you said the 5 CMC tutors don't really make it in to this deck since in 4C we essentially get the best of the best.

Faeburrow Elder ?

That is a higher cmc bloom tender

Recent_skepticism I am aware, it just offers redundancy, which usually isnt a bad thing.

Klancik true through that's kinda what Priest of Titania does now if the Freed from the Real combo was in this deck I would definitely agree. I also like the card as a budget Bloom Tender myself.

Recent_skepticism Klancik HaonDestiny01 As this list is simply your best bet when entering a blind meta, there are many situations where Faeburrow Elder and Freed from the Real are great additions. I highly recommend joining the discord channel ("The Paradox") for this and similar lists.

Klancik

It's a great card - really nice with Tymna. I had been meaning to add it as a maybeboard. If you feel it's good in your meta, definitely run it.