Almost, but not quite. I was thinking of something more along the lines of no cmc restrictions on the target.

Also, instant speed.

Any bounce spell is the "not green" Nature's Claim effect... cEDH is tempo madness, being delayed one turn is enough for everyone else to prepare to deal with something.

Guys can i have your opnion on running 30 lands? ( taking out the tabernacle for replenish and an island for greater auromancy)

thanks!

Depends on your curve, and how many mana rocks you run.. I wouldn't cut Tabernacle, though.

well. i dont have it.. its expensive to have xD

It was mentioned earlier, and I tend to agree that Yahenni's Expertise is a probably the best choice to replace Tabernacle (or Damnation/Wrath of God). If I were you, I'd throw in the Expertise.

Without seeing your build, though, it's tough to make suggestions.

its pretty much like mmcgeach one im just swapping timetwister for time spiral, tabernacle for Damnation ( im running it right now but thinking of change it for replenish) and an island for greater auromancy.

Thanks for the help!

If you're already running Supreme Verdict, and Toxic Deluge, Yahenni's Expertise is probably better, because the -3/-3 doesn't kill Zur, but deals with tokens and hate bears effectively, and it allows you to cast a card with 3 CMC or under for free. Since most of the deck is 3 CMC and under, it synergizes with the strategy much better than Damnation/Wrath of God.

That being said, there's obviously nothing wrong with Damnation/Wrath, they're great removal, but just not as ideal as Yahenni's, imo (assuming you're already running Supreme Verdict and Toxic Deluge).

Yahenni's Expertise can be a good option indeed, most of games when i draw damnation i dont really want use it becouse my zur already on the field and protected.. soo if any oponent kill him most of the time is a board wipe anyway.. replenish has been doing a great and greater auromancy as well

yes im already running toxic deluxe and supreme veredict

Why are you runing cartouche instead of steel of the godhead? not only does it give +2 instead of +1 since zur is both white and blue, but also gives lifelnk AND unblockable

Unblockable is less relevant on cEDH than the -1/-1 counter. (Not that the counter is all that great, is just that unblockable is completely useless in cEDH for a flying creature)

So, I've been considering testing Llawan, Cephalid Empress as a potential blue hoser. The only thing that would even potentially worry me is a fast Bribery, but it seems worth testing.

Hey All.

So BattousaiYngwie, a -1/-1 counter is really good. It kills a lot of important stuff: Aven Mindcensor, Notion Thief, Hermit Druid, Priest of Titania. And unblockable is functionally worthless.

Nicolascolau, if you want to drop a land I'd drop the basic swamp, unless you REALLY need it in your meta (tons of Blood Moon and Back to Basics in every game). The swamp is kind of redundant with Urborg, and urborg is generally better (although it gets worse if you're not running tabernacle). Also you need fewer lands if you're not likely to run into Stony Silence and Null Rod. If you're not generally under mana pressure from Stax decks then I'd drop a land and go for 30-mana producing lands.

crstisalie ... oh man, what are you playing against that you want LLawan for? Some kind of merfolk aggro? :) OTOH, Bribery is probably playable if your opponents have stuff worth taking (reanimation targets or conc sphinx or fatties or some jank).

There are so many decks that play blue creature spells, and decks that rely on their commanders (who are blue). I build my decks to be competitive in a blind meta, and most metas around here are blue heavy (and from my experience with other metas in other parts of the US, many are blue heavy as well).

Maybe you’ve addressed this and I just missed it, but why go with Cartouche of Ambition over Steel of the Godhead? I feel like Lifelink wasn what you were going for but isn’t unblockable also free value?

EasyPeezy, it's been addressed several times. The most recent is literally 2 posts above yours.

Steel of the Godhead is strictly better than Cartouche of Ambition. the extra +1/+1 and unblockable are certainly better than giving a creature a -1/-1 counter. that much isn't even debatable. and if Daybreak Coronet is "literally uncastable" in a voltron deck then you're doing something wrong.

I questioned the same thing, Bahamut90, and while I don't completely agree that Cartouche is better than Steel of the Godhead, I do see the need to use it if one's meta is rampant with Aven Mindcensor's, and Hermit Druid's. This has already been explained, but the main reason to run Cartouche over Godhead is that it kills the creatures that can be a problem for our strategy. All we're really after is the lifelink anyway. That being said, I've been in many situations where having unblockable would have been preferred (again, this comes down to one's meta).

As for Daybreak Coronet, it requires Zur to have an aura attached to it. The deck only runs two aura's, and often times, they're not in play because Zur had to fetch defensive, and/or card advantage enchantments to stay in the game, often making Daybreak unplayable most of the time, so it's better to slot in something actually relevant to the boardstate, rather than waste two turns attaching an aura that doesn't necessarily win the game, or lock your opponent out.

any update with battle bond box ?

chowkaze I can't speak for everyone, but I don't believe so. Nothing in that set stands out for what this deck is trying to accomplish.

M19's Amulet of Safekeeping seems interesting.

Actually i think Metamorphic Alteration from M19's is the one that can see a spot in this deck, opinions?

Depends on the meta. The deck only runs a handful of creatures, and yeah, there may be some times when you want to turn one of your creatures into something an opponent has, but other than that, if you're going to put Metamorphic Alteration on an opponent's creature, then what does that card accomplish that Imprisoned in the Moon, or Darksteel Mutation doesn't do already? The spots in the deck are tight enough as it is.

It all comes down to the meta.