SynergyBuild Hi! Thoughts on what I want to do with the deck!

Power level: I'd like it about where it's at.. 7 power level, able to win turns 6, 7, 8, but also able to out-value other decks in longer games where I don't feel like combo-ing. I suspect that I will eventually have to take some tutors or even combos out if it gets too fast or consistent and starts undermining the fun-oriented gameplay of my playgroup. I want to keep the "restrained" part of the combo deck, I.E. no/very few combo finishers. Just infinite tokens to give the table time to respond.

Budget: Also around where it's at... $300. No cards over $25 unless they're on Enlightened Tutor or Phyrexian Altar levels of importance. Cards over $10 better have a good reason to be here. I own a small portion of the cards already.

Meta: Pretty casual, not a lot of interaction, boardwipes, or counter magic. We like to each do our own powerful things which makes for grindy games at times. We tend to stray away from combo with a few exceptions, so this deck is trying to be able to grind with the rest, but also combo off when the game drags on for too long.

Things I won't cut and for sure want to keep: Elenda as the commander, Haakon, Stromgald Scourge and his package(but not necessarily all of it), any of the combo pieces that have additional synergy with the deck I.E. Animation Module with Krav.

Hope some of this helps you and anyone else who comments for suggesting cards and themes for the deck! :)

Just saw your deck on explore, nice to see you're still using my stylesheet! :) If you want me to make another one, something more along the lines of this one then I'd be happy to. There's so much more to change!

scotchtapedsleeves yes, many thanks again!

While I am content with how it is currently, making the panel that holds the deck name, hubs, featured art, and my name transparent and the buttons on the left hand side (Edit, upvote, feature, etc) transparent like you have yours would look really nice. Maybe one for the "Suns Champion" font and one for the mono red?

I'd love your upvote and thoughts on the actual deck too :) Thanks for commenting!

Changed some stuff on your decks, how does that look?

Hey man!

I'm not a big fan of Together Forever in this deck. It just doesn't feel like there are enough counters being thrown around for it to work, with only 6 that can give +1/+1 counters or gain them by my count. Maybe some more removal such as Anguished Unmaking or Utter End ?

Good Luck,

Hexaflexagon

I'm surprised to not see Cabal Coffers on the maybe list, it honestly pairs so well with Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth !

If you want to lock down the board, Contamination is pure evil, especially if you end up grabbing a Bitterblossom .

+1 from me, Orzhov is pretty sweet.

Hexaflexagon Thanks for the suggestions!

Together Forever is excellent recursion for Elenda, and gives out counters by itself so it doesn't take much else to make it worth it. It combos with Deathrender + Elenda + altar for infinte tokens, can recur Krav, and can recur anything for 1 mana with Cathars' Crusade or Unspeakable Symbol out.

I see your point for more removal. Though I'd focus on things that destroy or sac so I can get death triggers.

Thanks again, I'd appreciate an upvote if you like the deck!

Lhurgyof Thanks for the comment and upvote! The lack of Cabal Coffers, Contamination, and Bitterblossom is simply budgetary. All great cards, but excluding them saves money and leaves space for doing less mainstream stuff. Thanks again!

Some changes for anyone interested; not enough to make an update about it so I'll comment instead.

Out:

• Liliana, Heretical Healer  ^Flip - While she's very good, just just didn't do anything well enough for me. Still on the radar though.
• Fallen Ideal - I decided it needs too many things on the board to actually be good.
• Diabolic Intent - Besides my personal dislike of tutors, it's not good early because I don't have enough early tokens. I think I'd rather have draw.

In:

• Burnished Hart - Great ramp, and with a little recursion(especially Sun Titan ) it is amazing.
• Lingering Souls - Trying to up my early token count.
• Necropotence - Draw to replace the tutor. It hurts my small discard theme, but only effects three cards overall and let's be honest, the benefits of necropotence still outweigh those downsides. I have Reliquary Tower and Thought Vessel as well which make it even better. Plus, I own a copy, whereas I don't have any of the cards I removed.

Card I considered:

• Enduring Renewal - the combo potential was there but was too hard to work around. Hurt my draw too.

Thanks for reading!

You deserve extra praise for your formatting. Beautiful work and clever deck brew, as always. Do you think Endrek Sahr, Master Breeder could find a home in the 99? I can't help but think that there is a potential interaction there.

No Purgatory ? It is an amazing engine to recur Elenda!

Howzit AtrusOfMyst! Thanks for the comment and upvote!

Endrek Sahr is a nice token mechine but the cmc is too high, and I don't really run enough creature spells to really take advantage of him.

SynergyBuild I definitely considered it. Two problems: it costs a lot over time, and if Elenda is under it and it gets blown up, she stays in exile forever(see updated text on gatherer), which is the same reason I don't have Mimic Vat , a personal favorite.

For those interested:

I am testing out/thinking of adding the following cards: Costly Plunder , Utter End , Fumigate , Viscera Seer , Remember the Fallen , Restoration Specialist , and Scavenger Grounds . Any cuttable cards you see? Thanks for reading!

How do you get the background? Its really cool!

I got disproportionally happy when I noticed Shade's Form

Smothering Tithe tho

and then I realized this isn't Hymn of Darkness: Elenda EDH | *PRIMER* ._.

suggestion still stands though, if only to be justified in its absence

Thanks for the upvote on Elenda, a Rose as Sweet!

How do you feel about No Rest for the Wicked Suns_Champion?

Iknowyoustolemyugin thanks! Code can be found in my idea well here: Suns_Champion's Well of Ideas. Pay me with upvotes!

Coward_Token Smothering Tithe is going in! Haha

TheNocholas You're welcome, and thanks for the upvote in return! Feel free to stay and discuss!

Hey griffstick, you caught me right as I was writing this comment! That is a cool card that I'll have to think about/test! I see good interactions with Restoration Specialist and Sun Titan . Might be worth it...

For anyone interested, here are the WAR changes!

• +1 Liliana's Triumph
• +1 Despark
• +1 Smothering Tithe
• +1 Massacre Girl VERY excited about her. With Elenda at 2 toughness or more and a decent chain, I can kill the board besides Elenda and M-Girl. Big swing.

• +1 Mana Confluence

• -1 Utter End

• -1 Fumigate
• -1 Forge of Heroes
• -1 Together Forever
• -1 Deathrender

Sideboarding my Together Forever/Deathrender combo. Found it's too clunky and not very good, as much as I like it.

Looking forward to getting my hands on Liliana, Dreadhorde General .

Reading through I have definitely seen a great deal that I had not thought about or just did not know about. I am not big on combos [so I didn't realize I have a few built in already].

My build revolves solely around Elenda. I love unique commanders that require a build around. If the deck doesn't require me to play the commander I don't enjoy playing it. I have only played the deck a handful of times, and twice against it.

Imo Card draw and recursion should hold the highest value for inclusion. It looks like you have card draw balanced well for orzhov but may want to put in a little more for recursion. I run whisper, bloodliturgist and hell's caretaker to just sac out tokens to bring back Elenda. They may not work in your deck because you run less creatures.

I am a big fan of what Teysa brought to the table, I already had a good deal of dies triggers so I sank deep into them when I cut her in. I cant wait to put cruel celebrant in as another blood artist.

How do you stack the triggers to keep Elenda out with massacre girl? I would love to put her in but thought Elenda would die as well.

TheNocholas excellent feedback, hope you found something useful for your own deck!

I have a very similar philosophy when it comes to commander. I love building around the commander, I see it as the coolest part of the format. If you've seen my other decks, like Brion, Neheb, Firesong & Sunspeaker, and Feather, that will be clear. This deck is capable of holding it's own without Elenda, but the deck is very much suited around her.

I've been pretty content with my draw and recursion. My draw is numerous, with half of them being powerhouses like Krav of Necropotence, so I always find a recursion piece I need. Once I add the new Liliana I will often be in danger of drawing out! My creature light build is definitely a factor.

Teysa is amazing with Elenda, basically making her 4x better. Always love seeing her in my hand. The extra death triggers are just gravy for me.

The Massacre Girl / Elenda, the Dusk Rose interaction is simple. Let's say Elenda is a 2/2 and you have three 1/1 tokens out. You play Massacre girl, everything gets -1/-1. Elenda is now a 1/1 and the three tokens die. Stack the Massacre girl death triggers on the bottom and the Elenda death triggers on top. Elenda's trigger resolve first, giving her three +1/+1 counters, then Massacre Girls three -1/-1 triggers resolve. Elenda is back to being a 1/1 until end of turn. Everything else has gotten -4/-4, and if you're killing more stuff Elenda gets bigger and the Massacre Girl chain continues. With a little luck, when you pass the turn, you should have a rather beefy Elenda and a Massacre Girl out, and everyone else's stuff should be dead. Also better with Teysa.

Your Neheb the eternal deck helped me refine my Neheb, Dragon Shaman deck back when I started. That's why I was thrilled that you liked my Elenda build.

Reading through swayed me to run liliana and massacre girl, I was on the fence about tinkering at all but your arguements swayed me. I was also lucky enough to pull a bontu which should be a nice hand refiller. refilled. Will update my decklists while at work tonight.

I have a question. What edits would you make to this deck to make it more competitive/cEDH proof? My main commanders are Yuriko, Alesha, and Ghave, and my opponents usually play decks on the same if not higher power level, such as Zur or Jodah. I wanna build Elenda, but I don't want her to be delicate.

I guess I should also mention that I love your decklist. Most of them, actually, even though I’m not the biggest Boros fan. Love Orzhov and Mardu the most tho.

Nice to see your Elenda deck doing so well :) I wanted to ask you how do you feel about Together Forever , I just added it to my Elenda deck. And also would like to hear your opinion on how good is Palace Siege ?

Saint Elenda Reborn was my deck if you want to check it out again, I think I've made some changes to it the last time we talked, would enjoy to hear your opinions on it.

Astroaero I am a huge fan elenda, but it can be argued that she is not a competitive commander. The biggest drawback being that she must die and go to the graveyard. It requires building in ways to consistently sac and recur her. Most people build her a deck because she is just awesome and unique.

On those lines I would suggest building a Teysa Karlov deck. Teysa justs add value to what an orzhov aristocrats deck wants to do. My Elenda, a Rose as Sweet deck could easily be turned into a competitive teysa deck by trading some of the instant recurs into token gen or more dies triggers.

TheNocholas I'm glad my Neheb deck was some help to you! It's my favorite deck! Let me know how Bontu goes, I've been considering him too.

Astroaero thanks for the kind words! Boros is my passion but I'v been having fun Branching out to Orzhov.

I am not one to give cEDH advice by any means, that is not my space. But I will say that Elenda is delicate no matter what you do, which is part of why I decided to build her. She will not hold up in competitive metas. She is too weak to creature and artifact removal, and folds to any sort of graveyard hate. You could pimp this deck out with duals, fast mana, and all the expensive cards, and it would be a 9/10 on the competitive scale. To be cEDH you need 10/10. That's how I understand things.

Take that all with a grain of salt, again, cEDH is not my thing. Power to you if you can make it work!

Leonantti welcome back! Your list looks solid for sure! Curve is a little high for my taste, I'd work on finding cheaper win-cons. Curious to know how Fallen Ideal has played for you, I didn't find it to be very good. You have a very strong Teysa and reanimator target package, which I enjoy. My deck is much more focused on niche stuff like Haakon haha! You might want an Entomb for an easier turn 2 Reanimate play. Good luck!