Question: aeonstoremyliver, do you want the Decklist for deck:caliente-rojo I going to delete it soon?

@ The_Murderauder...I'll take a look at that. The math seems to add up, but I may be wrong after reading the article...

@ Minousmancer It's cool, man. You've posted alot of the additions here. I'll be tweaking this deck and keeping you posted.

K, off to delete.

you should probably run Flame Rift, Rift Bolt, and Lava Spike, and Goblin Guide.

Searing Blaze isn't in all burn decks, but i like it, you should probably include some.

Arc Trail will be most usefull against elves and goblins, where you're the control deck in the match-up, but it shouldn't be in the mainboard, because there are better alternatives for your bottom line.

when you cast Faithless Looting you lose 1 card advantage. It might help if you draw into too many lands in the later turns, but ultimately, it's not what you want in your deck.

Howling Mine helps your opponent too, and will only be good in a small number of matchups. Burn likes to focus on time rather than cards.

I'm surprised that I haven't seen Barbarian Ring in more burn decks. I think you should run 4.

Ghitu Encampment on the other hand, is a land which comes into play tapped. It's not something that you want to be playing in this deck. It's effect costs too much and isn't big enough to justify the coming into play tapped. I'd suggest Teetering Peaks over it, maybe, but even that's a little iffy.

Chandra, the Firebrand costs 4 mana, and won't net you very much damage unless you go to later turns, which you don't want to do.

With the exception of Goblin Guide I like the cards you suggested. They're affordable. I can't, however, drop cash for a playset of Guides. I intend to eventually ...

My point with Howling Mine and Faithless Looting is card draw. I really, really hate to top draw. If you have any cost effective suggestions, pray tell.

Ghitu Encampment is a 1x solely because it's a man land. And yes, Barbarian Ring is badass and I'd like more lol.

Chandra I like because she can copy spells and plink mana dorks and the like. I never expect to pop her off, hence the 1x. I might be better off with a simple Fork type effect ...

Goblin Guide is excellent, and splashing black for Bump in the Night with Dragonskull Summit is worthwhile

For this deck you know what would be even BETTER than Goblin Guide and is cheaper Flamekin Harbinger yeah a one drop Tutor, is the awesomesauce I just took Goblin Guide out of Harbinger of Fire and replaced it with Flamekin Harbinger and it's working wonders!

@Minousmancer problem is your not getting any damage in on turn one, and with Spark Elemental, Hellspark Elemental and Ball Lightning you shouldnt need a card to dig for one. although i can certainly see the benefit :)

kram130 A huge part of my suggestion is the price difference 4xGoblin Guide = $20.00 | 4xFlamekin Harbinger = $2.32

well yeh there is that too :D

kram130 I like your Bump in the Night suggestion ...

Minousmancer I dig the Flamekin Harbinger tutor idea!

So what do you guys think about the card draw with Howling Mine and Faithless Looting? If I get more Chandra's Phoenix and add Bump in the Night, discarding would be no big deal. As I stated above, I loathe top drawing ...

Faithless Looting Do it!

Think about it this way. "instead of Faithless Looting I had X" would that normally be better?

"instead of Faithless Looting I had Hellspark Elemental"

"instead of Faithless Looting I had Lava Spike"

etc.

Faithless Looting is pretty good cause it instantly gives you enough fuel for Grim Lavamancer, though it's a lot better if you run things you don't mind discarding, like things with recursion, e.g. Hellspark Elemental or Firebolt, Chandra's Phoenix and the like. That being said I would replace Keldon Marauders with Hellspark Elemental for the reason i just stated and because I think it's just better in general cause you'll get 2 swings out of it, but just one with the marauder.

Also +1 cause I love homebrew RDW decks

Sweet, thanks! Figures I just spent my allotted budget on Keldon Marauders and the like ... lol. Kinda why I subbed in the Howling Mine for card draw as suggested above. I like the suggestion though, thanks! Hellspark Elemental does rock.

So, does Howling Mine help or hinder? In testing I have access to way more burn when I need it. It gives my opponent a slight advantage, but it makes me faster. Thoughts?

I've also considered Browbeat and Shattered Perception...

As a rule I would say Howling Mine isn't that great, because it give's your opponent immediate advantage with his next draw, and it holds you up 1 turn putting it out. But if it has been working for you then screw the logic go with what works. Browbeat is awesome. Either 5 damage or 3 cards for 3 mana. Either way that's really efficient.

Tezzeret's Gambit can be really good if you have things in your deck that are counter based like Stormblood Berserker, or planeswalkers. It's especially good with Chandra, the Firebrand cause you can double it and she loses no loyalty counters, and you draw 4. I try to abuse proliferation a bit in my deck Hottest couple 2012 and it's pretty fun.

I agree, Browbeat is a win win. The Mine seems to work in playtesting, but haven't tested against another actual player. The CMC is only 2, which is nice, and it's not likely to get countered ...

Tezzeret's Gambit would work better if I had more cards with counters to support it; I want my Marauders to die.

I think I may go with picking up more copies of Browbeat. But what do think about Shattered Perception?

Howling Mine, in my opinion, isn't something you put into a deck. It's a card you build a deck around.

For this deck, I'd think about and tinker with including: Faithless Looting & Shattered Perception as a way to get to the cards you want in hand and the cards you want in your Graveyard. I'm using both while deck:pretending-red-is-the-new-black and I'm having a lot of fun with it.

If you want Faithless Looting to be good, you can always try to build a legacy Burning Vengeance deck

Thanks for the advice, folks. Made some changes. Take a look.

You might consider some Vexing Devil s. I haven't actually seen how they play in RDW yet, but they seem pretty good. I dunno.

Like somebody else mentioned, I'd up the Barbarian Ring count to 4. They may not work well with Grim Lavamancer , but hey, all you've got in those slots now are Mountains, right? Why not?

I might also check out Kargan Dragonlord over Figure of Destiny . It's an overall investment of less mana to get him to his highest level, and it can be paid over time, and he gets evasion earlier on.

I LOVE Vexing Devil !!! Lose 4 life to make me sac it or I swing next turn for 4...hmmm. LOL I don't have any, but would like a playset of those AND Goblin Guide . 4x of each would run me around $40.00... I'm willing to invest in those cards, as they have lots of value. Plus Vexing Devil will be in Standard for awhile too.

The only issue I have with 4x Barbarian Ring is the amount of life being lost from them and my fetch lands (fuel for Lavamancer]]. I could playtest with 4 though and see how it goes.

Kargan Dragonlord . Huh. Never considered that card. I like that Figure of Destiny is a 1 CMC, but I've only gotten it to the 8/8 flying once. Do you think Kargan Dragonlord is worth the mana investment? I could drop it turn 2, then turn 4 swing for 4... hmm.

What do you think about the lone Koth of the Hammer ? I question him being there.

Koth of the Hammer is moreso for the long game. Shrine of Burning Rage is for the even longer game.

Also, judging from some of your cards and their counts, you're building this based off a Fire and Lightning premium deck, am i right?

@ Sam_I_am

I thought so for Koth...still on the fence with him. I like the Shrine of Burning Rage , but wonder if it's too slow for Legacy. I can pop it turn 5-6 for the win, but wonder if I can add anything better within budget, like Brimstone Volley . Even Infernal Plunge on my 2nd Main Phase. Sac a Hellspark Elemental , Ball Lightning , etc. and gain 3 mana.

Lol... yep. I picked up the deck Fire and Lightning. I dug all the foils and it came with some pretty neat cards, ala Chain Lightning and Grim Lavamancer .

I'm trying to tweak it to be competitive and budget friendly.

Infernal Plunge + Ball Lightning + Brimstone Volley is evil lol. Even Ball Lightning + Fling ...