Have had conversations with Lilbrudder about artifact heavy Thrasios/Tymna builds. Birthing Pod + Trinket Mage is a solid inclusion - it pods from Trinket Mage (who fetches LED) into Auriok Salvagers. if you include Kiora's Follower you can play pod, sac Thrasios to get mage and then untap pod with follower all in one turn.

Those are very solid suggestions as always. Will definitely find a spot for those cards. Thanks man! It took me a while to get over the banning of Leo. lol

Copy Artifact and Winds of Rebuke offer a win condition alongside an Isochron Scepter with Dramatic Reversal. I get that will generally already be making infinite mana which gets you where you need to be, but the additions seem pretty free to me. Winds of Rebuke gives you interaction (albeit mediocre interaction) while Copy Artifact can copy one of your mana rocks if you don't have Scepter. Merchant Scroll tutors up either Winds of Rebuke or Dramatic Reversal to pair with your Scepter or even Pact of Negation as a free protection spell on your combo turn. Dark Petition is another great tutor that could see play here. You're playing enough spells that turning on Spell Mastery should be inconsequential.

You're playing the 4 expected cantrips, but I would consider adding a couple more personally. Impulse for sure and then either Opt, Serum Visions, or Sleight of Hand based on your preferences.

I haven't played your deck, obviously, but does Paradox Engine feel clunky to you? The CMC seems rather high for what you're trying to achieve.

The Engine does seems a bit clunky. I haven't been able to use it much while play-testing it here. Winds of Rebuke makes sense but do you think Hurkyl's Recall would be better? I'm not totally sold on making this run around the Scepter as much as most decks do because it seems a bit harder to assemble compared to AS + LED or the Doomsday combo. I am still doing a lot of play-testing so we'll see.

Thanks for the suggestions. I'll be keeping those cards in mind even those that I did not put in the maybeboard.

May consider Vampiric Tutor and attach that to your stick.

Its already on the list bro

sorry man i just realized i commented on the wrong deck XD. Your mana base is amazing, i would just check for Blood Moon , yoou have sooo few basics in a non red deck its begging to be mooned. AS for the deck, it seems to be ver low cost very very fast moving, i see an ok amount of counters but im amazed at the 18/19 ramp cards, its hard to imagine that kind of ramp in the deck, i fear you would spend your hand so fast despite your drawing cards, its weird but im guesing your commanders can provide that spot. I think you are right in seeking another way to combo by itself, i cant come up with something in this momento but a Jin-Gitaxias, Core Augur could se a place being reanimated giving you the kind of efect you seem to want in this deck. If i can come up with a combo ill tell you :D

No problem bud. Its not the first time its happened. Lol.

Youre right about the need to add draw engines. The target it to win within the first 3 to 6 turns but some games inevitably last longer. I am currently looking at cards like Dark Confidant and Phyrexian Arena. JGCA is nice but the effort it would take to successfully put it into play might be better spent on trying to win the game instead.

Ill look forward to hearing from you again if you do think of anything worth considering. Thanks!

Can confirm, Dark Confidant is good.

Thanks enpc. Ill try to find a slot for it. Any suggestions on what cards I can cut?

Probably Opt. It depends on how control based you want to go. Opt seems good if you're trying to close out games super early, but Bob is better for a slightly more control oriented build.

Also, Spire of Industry is super good. I like it more than Forbidden Orchard, which kind of works against Tymna's ability.

What's the point of using Aetherflux Reservoir over Walking Ballista btw? While yes, you have Paradox Engine, the deck is designed to assemble either of your infintie mana combos and then go from there. PE acts primarily as an enabler in this scenario.

Other than a niche case of not hitting infinite off PE, Ballista does more work and can be better recurred by Auriok Salvagers. It also is a zero life it off both Ad Nauseam and Dark Confidant. Not to mention it forms an infinite combo with Auriok Salvagers + Paradox Engine if you cast it for X=0 and then recur it to hand with Salvagers.

Overall, ballista just does way more work.

Good point. But instead of the Reservoir, Im thinking taking the LabMan out since its pretty useless outside the combo turn. What do you think?

Personally I use Codex Shredder as one of my backup win conditions. It's graveyard recursion which in turn can be recurred with Salvagers (man that card is good) and with either a Paradox Engine loop or Dramatic Scepter can be used to mill each opponent.

I also sport Thopter Foundry + Sword of the Meek. It's a bit janky but I like the package. Plus my meta can be a bit more creature heavy so it helps to counter that. Plus the inherent synergy with Tymna the Weaver is a nice bonus. The lifegain also helps with stuff like Necropotence and Thopter Foundry gives Bloom Tender the other 4 colours for 2 mana. And Thopter Foundry an be paired with either Mana Crypt or Mana Vault + Auriok Salvagers to make a thopter for , or Sol Ring for . As I said, a bit janky but still does enough work.

I was looking at your deck a few days ago and the synergy was awesome! I prefer a more straightforward style though. This is probably why im trying to veer away from building around Paradox Engine too much. It is so much fun to use but it requires a somewhat developed board state to be really effective. With the number of combo-control players in my group, I dont think I have that luxury. Im still testing it out though. Maybe in time, I can learn to be patient and methodical. Haha!

If you're shying away from Paradox Engine combo, then I would think that LabMan is the better of it and reservoir.

While it doesn't do much outside of combo, getting infinite mana off of either sceptre or Bomberman is fairly compact and LabMan seems to fit that theme better in my opinion. And it's good to have different lines to victory, not just damage and damage.

I would still recommend ballista though over reservoir, for the reasons listed above.

One other card I am quite partial to is Conjurer's Bauble. It's a cantrip that is also graveyard recursion but all comes bundled in a 1 CMC artifact that Salvager a can recur, meaning that you can get back any discarded combo piece after the fact.

I am loving the suggestions and you are giving me a lot to think about. I'll be play-testing your deck to see how certain cards and tech might fit in mine.

Go for it! The deck is running a few sub-optimal cards (missing stuff like Mox Diamond, Noble Hierarch, the rest of the ABUR's, Imperial Seal, etc) however it sould still give you a good enough translation over to your deck.

+1 from me!

Maybe Muddle the Mixture in place of Spell Pierce? Another tutor for scepter & hard counter for an extra .

Also I agree with the Walking Ballista > Aetherflux Reservoir comments above.

Polupus, very interesting suggestion. Added it to the maybeboard.

Thanks for the +1 (hit that upvote button. cough, cough lol)

Do you guys think Angel's Grace is worth giving a slot in the deck?

If youre already on Ad Nauseam, Angels Grace is definitely worth a spot. Also, your description mentions Doomsday, but its not in the list. Maybe time for an update?

+1 though, deck seems sweet

Eh, I'm not sold on Angel's Grace just yet. It's only good with a main phase Ad Naus and that's 6 mana already consumed there. I found that with my list I can see about 15 cards for ~20 life and your list has a lower curve than mine. Plus the whole thing about Ad Naus is that it's supposed to be 1 card gas.

Can you afford to swap Arcane Denial out for Negate? If yours isn't a creature heavy metal, this might be the better play. Denial is good at lower levels of play,but giving an opponent 2 cards is not good if you can avoid it.

Also, this is a personal choice but I think I like Eternal Witness over Regrowth. Yes it's one extra mana and yes there is an additional step where it can be shut down, however the fact that you can pod Thrasios into is is really strong. Just some food for thought.

PlattBonnay thanks for the comment and please do hit that upvote button. Lol.

I will be updating the deck description in a few days. Thank you for reminding me.

enpc, I was thinking of the exact same thing. Also wanted to add Snapcaster Mage because it seems to offer a lot more utility with the pod and EW in the deck.

PlattBonnay thanks for the comment and please do hit that upvote button. Lol.

I will be updating the deck description in a few days. Thank you for reminding me.

enpc, I was thinking of the exact same thing. Also wanted to add Snapcaster Mage because it seems to offer a lot more utility with the pod and EW in the deck.