I've never tried Torrent Elemental, but I probably should. This is just the first draft of the deck, so plenty of room to tweak.
February 11, 2015 8:54 a.m.
1x Urborg, Tomb of Yagmoth in the sideboard. If you see a lot of Perilous Vault it allows you to get him back in the late game.
February 17, 2015 10:45 a.m.
Murderotic says... #5
I like this a lot a lot. I have been thinking about tearing apart my Sultai Control ( The one everyone runs -.- ) and building a cheaper standard deck and trading away my more expensive cards for modern card I want for my BW tokens, Dredgevine and Brutal Soul Chiefs
This seems like such a fun deck to run and play for funsies. +1 from me sir!
February 24, 2015 8:33 a.m.
I would sideboard the Wall of Frost and run Vaporkin in the main instead. Gives you more evasion so you draw more cards with the Bident of Thassa, and is also an elemental, so they get the bonus from Master. And I believe your initial thought with the Triton Shorestalker is correct. You want that early pressure and- yep- more evasion. I also think I'd cut the Fate Foretold for a 4th Cloudform and maybe a 3rd Bident of Thassa. I also think you may want to get to 22 lands... I know your curve is low, but you don't have any early card draw to help you find lands, and you def want to get to 4 lands every game. I also might be in the minority, but I'm not a big fan of Reality Shift. Technically it's card disadvantage. Yes, I know it does answer a threat, and everyone keeps sighting Stormbreath, but what about all the times you manifest another threat? I'm just not sold on it...
Just my thoughts... Happy Building :-)
February 24, 2015 9:11 a.m.
bellz76 Those are all valid thoughts I've had before, but I do think this is where the deck wants to be. Wall of Frost is great for devotion and can also shutdown most threats on the ground. You're right that Vaporkin is good because Master pumps it, but I just don't think that's enough reason to main some. Fate Foretold is just something I want to try out at my next fnm, for some alright card draw. And while Reality Shift is card disadvantage, it sets them back a turn because if I do manifest another threat, they still have to pay the mana to flip it. Triton Shorestalker may slip in though, who knows. All great suggestions, though
February 24, 2015 2:41 p.m.
Whereas I totally agree that the Wall of Frost does double duty with defense and devotion, my thought is the deck is more of an aggressive deck. You want to play guys and swing... and then get the Bident of Thassa down to reload the hand. Frost Walker is an aggressive card on T2, why follow it up with the Wall? T1 Triton Shorestalker, T2 Walker\ Vaporkin, Turn 3 Wall? How about T3 Cloudform, T4 Master of Waves or Bident? Keep the pressure up. Is this the god draw- yeah, probably... but why stall? Both the Wall and the Vortex Elemental are good at slowing the game down, but what are you delaying for? And if you make these changes, you could run the Monastery Siege in the main instead of the Torrent Elemental because all your creatures have evasion anyway- protecting your guys\ drawing more cards might be better than tapping guys who can't block anyway. It just feels like for an aggressive deck, there are control elements that don't fit.
February 24, 2015 4:19 p.m.
In a vacuum, it may seem like the control is out of place. But the controlling elements are definitely necessary. You can't put any real amount of pressure on them until turn 4 with Master of Waves, so it's better to stop there stuff until you can. Torrent Elemental is really good for later games where the boards can get really full. And if you haven't actually played with Vortex Elemental, you should. It might as well be unblockable with it's ability to shuffle a creature back.
February 25, 2015 8:46 a.m.
See, this is where I disagree... In the changes I'm suggesting (4 Triton Shorestalker, 3 Vaporkin, 4 Cloudform etc) you're putting pressure on them from turn 1. Shorestalker is unblockable, and Vaporkin and Cloudform both fly. Turn 2 they go to 19, turn 3 they go to 16, turn 4 they go to 11... And that isn't even including the Frost Walker. You've got eight 1 drops and seven 2 drops that all want to swing. And instead of a cloudform on T3, you could also drop a Hall of Triumph that keeps up that pressure. And you have Thassa, God of the Sea that can make your Walker, Master of Waves, or elemental token unblockable... that's why the Torrent Elemental isn't as useful a card.
And I don't understand- when would you swing with the 0\1 Vortex Elemental? Yes, on turn 6+ when you have to get rid of a blocker... but I thought that's why you were running the Reality Shift and Torrent Elemental. I can understand some redundancy and utility, but this isn't making any sense to me.
And regardless of these changes or not- I really think you need to get up to 22 land :-)
February 25, 2015 9:22 a.m.
Murderotic says... #11
Hey guys, I made a bit of a list because this deck intrigued me but I thought it could use a couple twists
Check it out =D
February 25, 2015 1:39 p.m.
This is probably where we're going to disagree no matter how much talking is done. For my meta, where games tend to run long, this list is pretty much what I want. I don't like Vaporkins inability to block anything on the ground. 3 Cloudform also feels right rather than 4, but that's just my thought. I never thought of Torrent Elemental as compared to Thassa's ability, and you make a very good point there. As for the Vortex Elemental, it gets pumped by both Hall of Triumph and Master of Waves, and while Triton Shorestalker gets pumped by Hall of Triumph as well, the added utility of making them block Vortex Elemental gives it the nod.
February 25, 2015 2:54 p.m.
I have a question for you.
Why not using Fated Infatuation on Master of Waves before it got target by a removal address? Bonus part about Fated Infatuation, it's INSTANT 3-drop cast plus bring more tokens into a play.
March 18, 2015 11:44 p.m.
I thought about it, but I think I'd rather have Clever Impersonator out of the sideboard with the ability to copy any permanent, albeit not at instant speed, but that's thee life you gotta live.
March 20, 2015 8:47 a.m.
You might want to consider Mirror Mockery as well. If placed on the Master of Waves it would give you another copy every time he attacks... and if you're slow out of the gate, use it on an opponents creature to help block... also adds a devotion.
March 20, 2015 3:35 p.m.
Have you thought of Shorecrasher Elemental yet? Great card with tons of devotion.
March 23, 2015 11:41 a.m.
And maybe Wall of Frost for the devotion and big creatures.
March 23, 2015 11:45 a.m.
You also could add a playset of Darksteel Citadel and Ensoul Artifact to make some nasty combos.
(Sorry for spamming so much in the commentaar section here)
March 23, 2015 11:53 a.m.
I want Shorecrasher Elemental to have a spot so badly, but my 3 spot is a little full right now. I did have Wall of Frost in, but I wanted it to be a little more aggro with the unblockables. Also, I just don't think this is the right deck for the Darksteel Citadel + Ensoul Artifact combo.
March 23, 2015 2:31 p.m.
asasinater13 says... #22
Fated Infatuation is slower than Shorecrasher Elemental. by a lot. and it depends on having something good to target to be good.
May 2, 2015 12:39 p.m.
If I could get my hands on some Shorecrasher Elementals, I would put some in.
May 2, 2015 1:50 p.m.
What about Aqueous Form + Mirror Mockery on your Master of Waves? Extra, extra, rad al....HOLY CRAP!!! Where did all those tokens come from?!?!
May 4, 2015 1:48 p.m.
JANKYARD_DOG says... #25
Nice idea of Mockery w/Master. Add in some exploit shinanaghans and you're set.
tbone1225 says... #1
I was thinking about running Cloudform, but 1. I didn't have a lot of powerful creatures to un-Manifest (Frost Walker) and 2. I didn't have anything to return useful non-creature cards to my hand (Quickling). I may have to mess around with that synergy. I forget if you mentioned this but have you ever run a 1-of Torrent Elemental? Seems like it would be a hell of a win condition if your mana curve can handle it.
February 11, 2015 6:52 a.m.