Devotion to Green (Modern) W/ Eidolon of Blossoms!
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I'm curious what your thoughts are on Xenagos, God of Revels and Gaea's Revenge . As I mentioned I switched to Gaea's due to haste, but with Xenagos I wouldn't need it.
I still love this deck and I've been taking a lot of the ramping ideas and trying to adapt them to other decks I'm working on.
March 22, 2014 12:23 p.m.
CurdBrosBrewingCo says... #3
Hey elicit...
I LOVE both cards...and you are absolutely right that both are great in Devotion decks....great eye!
I actually made a deck with these two cards in it called Grull Hasty Devotion because I had a lot of people suggesting certain cards and asking me about certain cards; so I told them I would make a deck that took into account some of the cards they wanted to see. Gaea's Revenge (in my opinion) is one of the most powerful green finishers in the game; and it is massively underplayed...and Xenagos, God of Revels still hasn't seen its full potential in Modern.
I'd love to see the deck your creating! Please do link me to it when you've got the first draft out there!
March 22, 2014 5:25 p.m.
I'm curious about straying from the initial idea of a "Mono Green" and adding in smaller utility cards from other colors to make things easier. Perhaps using Abundant Growth to cast into a Aqueous Form or something.
Xenagos Green Ramp is the Xenagod style deck I'm thinkin. You could still utilize Primalcrux due to getting the hast treatment. For even more card draw you could use Garruk, Primal Hunter too I suppose. Not to mention a potential target for Aspect of Hydra in the form of a 3/3 with haste and trample :)
You could even run Warriors' Lesson if you start flooding with 3/3's or using your smaller creatures that get pumped. Craterhoof Behemoth Might be a good option instead of Primalcrux, then sideboard Gaea's Revenge or Savage Summoning against control.
March 23, 2014 12:21 a.m.
CurdBrosBrewingCo says... #5
I love where you're going with this elicit! Xenagos, God of Revels
wasn't even spoiled when I first developed this deck; but I do love the interaction (as a Primalcrux
with haste is CRAZY). That ; and in this build, both Nylea, God of the Hunt
and Xenagos, God of Revels
can easily become indestructible creatures the moment they hit the board! I'm definitely gonna test this! Great ideas!
March 23, 2014 3:11 a.m.
Any chance you could comment on my iteration of MJ's Mono-Green Devotion deck? You seem like you know what you're talking about. :D
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/gdw-31-03-14-1/
April 4, 2014 12:33 a.m.
Isn't it a little bit too slow for modern? I mean if you don't have this perfect hand .. You'll need about 5 or 6 rounds to win...
April 7, 2014 5:52 a.m.
CurdBrosBrewingCo says... #9
bastena...thanks for your question! To answer your question quickly....No this deck is not too slow for the Modern format.
First, the "Gold Fish" example showed an instance of dealing 90+ power on turn-4. This is obviously quite a bit more than is needed :) It is much easier to deal 20 damage by turn-4 (which in 9 out of 10 games is all you will need). You don't need a "perfect hand" to deal 20 damage within 4 turns (or even 20 total damage on the fourth turn). You do need a perfect hand to do 100+ damage by turn 4 :)
You are absolutely right that Modern is a 4-Turn format. This, however, does not mean that every (or really even a majority) of games will end on the fourth turn. It just means that most games (60%+) will be DECIDED by turn 4. It may take another turn or two to finish them off; but in Modern, most games show a board state/hand state that indicate who has won by turn 4 (barring anything crazy). This is what is meant by a "4-Turn Format"....granted, most decks in Modern can win by turn-4 (some on turn 3) ; however if you have someone promising you that EVERY game will be consistently won by turns 3 or 4 most likely you are looking at a "glass cannon" deck and/or someone who has not properly tested their deck against the entire Modern Meta. This is especially true post-boarding.
Having said all of this, you are absolutely right that most Modern decks (save control and tempo builds) MUST have the potential to win by turn-4. If not disrupted in any way, a deck must be capable of winning by turn-4 with regularity. If it takes too long to "set up" your win; you will lose to decks like Storm, Affinity, Zoo, RDW, etc. Fortunately, this deck has no real problem winning by turn 4 (and quite often if not disrupted). It only takes 20 damage to win; and this deck can deal 20 relatively quickly.
Given all of this, however; there is really only one true way to see if a deck is viable in Modern...testing. Given the types of disruption, the current meta (i.e. which decks are popular), your sideboard, etc. it is far more important to see if you can win 2 out of 3 games with regularity with all 75 cards against the best decks in the meta than it is building a combo that is the fastest in the land (and this is coming from somebody that LOVES combo/synergy decks :)
I hope this best answers your question. The whole "turn-4" things gets kinda convoluted sometimes; but the simplest answer is that this deck can do 20 damage consistently by turn-4. I appreciate the question; because it is a SUPER important one. Great question.
April 7, 2014 6:03 p.m.
OOOOOOHHH i like Eidolon of Blossoms . THEY FINALLY SPOILED SOMETHING. Jesus H Christ it took long enough, haha. That R/W god is pretty darn cool as well.
So, with the addition of Eidolon of Blossoms , any thought on running a bit more enchantments? I say Spider Umbra for the totem armor and reach. or you can just go more mana and play Fertile Ground , lol. But if you do decide to include one of those, I WISH YOU LOOK on what to replace it for :D
April 7, 2014 6:17 p.m.
wow . . . i spelled luck wrong. I'm going to leave now. :P oh and let me just leave Fertile Ground here once more. Forgot to "suggest" it last comment ;)
April 7, 2014 6:24 p.m.
CurdBrosBrewingCo says... #12
I know!!! I was getting anxious to see some new stuff (as anymore, like 12 cards in every set make it into Modern!) The Eidolon of Blossoms does create opportunities for Mono-Green Devotion decks to utilize even more enchantments....so exciting! I will definitely have to look into more enchantments.
The R/W god is AWESOME! I can definitely see it in both Standard and even Modern....opens up slightly new territory. This Eidolon of Blossoms is crazy useful...so many decks can be made with it (Enchantress style decks, Boggles-style decks, etc.). Can't wait to see what else gets spoiled!
What do you think could/should be removed to make some room?
April 7, 2014 6:26 p.m.
CurdBrosBrewingCo says... #13
haha! I know RedZebra....It feels like it's not a green deck :)
Card draw has been something I've been really interested in green devotion decks lately....having huge amounts of card draw and mana makes decks very difficult to beat...the combination builds on itself when devotion is involved. My Elf Devotion deck has 22 cards that draw cards as well...it's silly because they've created three different ETB "draw a card" elves over the last 10 years.
Eidolon of Blossoms really pushes the card draw over the edge here though...like you said, it makes Abundant Growth crazy! I was floored when I saw it. Carven Caryatid was good (the 5 toughness also shouldn't be overlooked); but this was just too much...such a great card with so much building space. I think we'll see Eidolon of Blossoms in a few other places as well.
April 7, 2014 7:04 p.m.
Why not add 1x or 2x Khalni Hydra for some crazy devotion? You could turn 4 cast him fairly easily and play a Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx on turn 5 and get aaaaaaaaaall of the mana.
April 7, 2014 7:53 p.m.
I clicked +1 again a few times, but it did nothing. It's the thought that counts though, right?
Nice addition. :)
April 7, 2014 8:01 p.m.
Okay I have all the cards available... And I'll try it out :-) I gave you the +1 a few weeks ago cause I like this mono green thing and how you built it.... But a friend of mine meant this could be too slow for modern.
Ehm one final question : how would you include Xenagos, God of Revels in this deck? Would another Stomping Ground be enough? And how many would you put in to use him as effective as possible?
April 8, 2014 2:51 a.m.
CurdBrosBrewingCo says... #17
Hey bastena! Yeah...Devotion decks can be tough to "calculate" in terms of how quickly one can ramp (along with the enchanting and untapping lands thing and Mistcutter's haste)....this can be a very difficult deck to see the speed of. Having said this, if your local meta is super fast (like a bunch of small Zoo, Storm, and Affinity decks) you will definitely want to sideboard for this (as you are not SUPER fast like these; but you are plenty fast).
Xenagos, God of Revels would be great in here! You could EASILY remove one Nylea, God of the Hunt for one Xenagos (and probably should as given the card draw and Summoner's Pact 's; 3 Nylea's is probably too many). You can add another Stomping ground and you would be more than fine. Between the Abundant Growth , Utopia Sprawl , and Stomping Ground ; you will have little problem generating the 1-red mana you will need. To be honest; Xenagos, God of Revels should probably be in here...and I'm adding one if you don't mind :) I will most certainly cite it as your idea.
BTW.....I really appreciate the +1!! Thank you! And never feel bad about asking questions pertaining to speed or viability of decks...it's the only way they get better!
April 8, 2014 3:08 a.m.
CurdBrosBrewingCo says... #18
Also, bastena....remember, with Eidolon of Blossoms in; The Gods draw a card too!! Crazy great card for this deck :)
April 8, 2014 3:10 a.m.
Your deck title can now be changed to "Izzet an Arrow?"
wait for it . . . Let it dawn on you . . . did you get it? :D
April 8, 2014 3:14 a.m.
CurdBrosBrewingCo says... #20
bastena....you are on to something here.... given Eidolon of Blossoms ; Xenagos, God of Revels is Amazing in this deck...it turns Primalcrux into an Instant Speed Win-Condition! He can be tutored with a Summoner's Pact and most likely will be a creature himself....he can even given Nylea, God of the Hunt haste and +6/+6 if she is an active creature! With Mistcutter it doubles his power, etc....basically, depending on the board state and situation; I can use Summoner's Pact to create the best win-con for the situation....great idea! I will certainly be testing this immediately.
April 8, 2014 3:18 a.m.
CurdBrosBrewingCo says... #21
hahahahaah! Dreno33....I totally get it...it broke my heart when there wasn't enough blue left to make the arrow head; but it's back!!! I won't change the deck no matter what is spoiled, suggested, etc. :)
April 8, 2014 3:35 a.m.
CurdBrosBrewingCo says... #22
Thanks v4v3....what a lucky spoiled card :) I did the same on your "infinite green" deck and for some reason it only gave me one +1 too....we'll have to write to someone to get this fixed...ha.
16smith....I have tried Khalni Hydra in the deck and it definitely is good; but I prefer Primalcrux in this particular build. It is a very small margin; but Primalcrux just works better here in my testing....I provided a little deeper discussion of this in the Deck Choices (Mono Green Devotion) thread; so if you want to read it there it provides a little more insight into what I found testing between the two. It is a great card in here; however, and you wouldn't go wrong playing it. Great suggestion!
April 8, 2014 3:40 a.m.
Fair enough. I see whatcha mean. Cool deck though, +1 from me.
April 8, 2014 8:20 a.m.
CurdBrosBrewingCo says... #24
Thank you so much 16smith for the +1 and your comments /suggestions to improve the deck !
April 8, 2014 1:01 p.m.
CurdBrosBrewingCo says... #25
Added Eidolon of the Great Revel in the Sideboard....it's AMAZING in Modern (destroys Storm, Affinity, etc.) and we have multiple spells over 3 CMC (more than most Modern decks). That, and with our Eidolon of Blossoms (also over 3 CMC) it would draw us a card :) The Eidolon cycle looks like they were made specifically for Modern! They are soooo good in this format. I'm banking on the white one being a Ghostly Prison on a stick, and the black being a Phyrexian Arena creature....and who knows what the blue one will do! Truly awesome cycle (the green one just happened to work here; but boy does it work in here!)
CurdBrosBrewingCo says... #1
LordOfMishap....Thank you so much! I have LOVED this deck for some time now. Green has always been my color of choice; so when Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx came along I was in love! I've always loved Primalcrux but this is the first time I've found it to be competitive....
Take any and all ideas you want! I hope you are able to make a Modern deck you love playing just as much as I love this one! I consider this and my Elf Devotion (Modern) decks to be the two decks I consider to be the decks the represent my playstyle perfectly....and I know there are plenty of other rampers out there who just want to make as much mana as they can and do funny stuff with it :)
Please keep me updated on your deck. I love seeing any and all green-based decks; but by all means use any idea you want...the community was a huge help on this deck; so I can't really claim that 100% of them were all my idea anyways :) Thanks again for your kind words and your +1! I can't wait to see your deck!
March 21, 2014 5:38 p.m.