No Traumatize ?

Nope, here is why. By T5. my typical mill side of things would have milled about 20 cards to 30 cards, a standard deck is 60 cards. Traumatize would only mill about 15-20 cards by that time, less if it took me 5 turns to get the mana as well as draw it, this leads me to believe that on text it looks good, but in playtesting it just goes bad. On T5 id much rather toss out a Jace, Memory Adept and mill 10 every single turn, or a Consuming Aberration and all my spells afterward mill until I hit a land. Im not saying its a bad card by any means, I think its just not what people put it out to be. All in all its CMC is way too high especially considering by T5 its worth a lot less I could get the same effect from 3x Tome Scour and only use up 3 mana, or 2x Breaking / Entering for 4 CMC. Play all of them and its 1 more CMC total but alot more cards in the grave, and those are playable on T2, leaving room for a T5 Jace to hit for a more devastating total of milled cards. The last thing I don't like about it is spending 5 mana at sorcery speed, which allows me to play absolutely no counter spell or removal on opponents turn, which to me is bad news.

Yes it is a decent card on T5, I admit, but id rather play other things that far into the game. Plus the deck isn't just a flat out mill you deck anymore like it used to be, its more on the removal and damage side of things with the added bonus of easily milling opponents out. I actually need a new deck name now that I think about it. Jace, Memory Adept can mill someone out by himself so protecting him is the main goal within the deck with fat flyers such as Desecration Demon and walls. If all else fails Ashiok, Nightmare Weaver will be putting creatures on the board and Consuming Aberration will be doing his dirty work as the game progresses.

Fair enough. I didnt play test i just saw it said mill and assumed traumatize. You really seem to have a good handle on a good deck. You have solid control powerful creatures multiple win cons and a well rounded deck. Hats off to you mate +1

Thank you so much! I highly appreciate it, it means a lot to me. Its been quite the ride! It actually used to be just mill when it first started, then a lot of the community on here made suggestions and after a while it became what it is today! There still is room for improvement, but trying to figure out where and what cards should come out. Ultimately the deck was built by several people in a way! So my hat is off to everyone else! I can't stress that enough!

I have gotten a little of that community help on a couple decks im brewing currently but i cant quite get anything to turn out a winner. It is hard to build a tier1 deck in standard that isnt a near identical copy of something else already out there. I hope to place top 3 fnm with one of my new deck ideas. I think i need to use more control im so used to my weekly kitchen table games i rarely build control aspects into my decks and instead build tribal or combo decks that dont really stand a chance in compitition standard.

I commented on a deck of yours which I suggested alot of things, Boros is really good I feel as of standard format right now, I have played many good ones! I would be more than happy to help you shape that one and give you advice ect ect.

Lol look at a full figure art Ashiok HAS to be a dude! Almost has a goatee flatter than an ironing board and has feet second in size only to Polis Crusher lol

Oops, didn't mean for that to link to an actual user, if Ashiok ever reads this I didn't mean that at you, but at the floating monster of exiling awesomeness

@CrazyPete

Golgari.... weak?

You haven't seen my deck +1/+1 Domination (2nd place FNM)

@ Esperret wow just looked at Ashiok, Nightmare Weaver full art and yeah I totally agree, super flat chested, HUGE feet, I am going to say that it is absolutely a guy.. but accidentally shopped at Forever 21 or some other girl store. Maybe he was confused.

Okay i Know i offered up Dark Betrayal originally but maybe instead (to give you a wider range and still hit black) try Ultimate Price for sideboard. Also minus one incursion for one more needle to deal with AEtherling as he is such a pain in the ass plus you can use it to shut down plainswalkers that may be irritating you like Domri Rade As for Thoughtseize being that you could use it turn one to take away win cons i would swap one for one on both Far and away And Hero's Downfall You would still have two of each and a way to take out other more difficult cards to deal with early game. That is all players preference though. I would play test with it like that and if it doesnt have that feel then change back to what you had. you know the saying "if its not broke"

I def could try that out! The only thing im worried about is that Thoughtseize may end up killing myself in the long run since im also running Watery Grave if I am in a desperate need for the U/B it provides ill def be losing 2 life, but I will give it a shot anywho! Trying to perfect the deck before next FNM! I want to get 1st!!

As far as Ultimate Price im not sure if the swap in the sideboard would be worth it considering ive seen alot of multi color creatures out there which Dark Betrayal would still hit for 1 mana less. There are some open slots on the sideboard overall though, so another copy of Pithing Needle could easily fit!

If you are wondering or anyone else for that matter, yes the deck did get a name change as well as the "featured card" since I thought the name was more clever than "mill monstrosity" which seemed misleading considering the "monstrosity" effect of monsters nowadays! Plus the new "featured card" really complements the name! WIN-WIN

MILL ALL THE THINGS!.

But anywho Thoughtseize is really just a sideboard piece to pick out your opponent game 2 and 3.

Other than that a very solid deck. =)

Haha thanks! It is such a good card, but such an iffy choice for the deck in my personal opinion! Thanks for checking it out! I appreciate it! My OCD tells me I need 20 upvotes now

Hey man! Didn't really have time for reviewing yesterday so here goes. Playtested today with 3 different decks and i can say it's pretty solid. Only suggestion i can make is to add some extra draw maybe Pilfered Plans ? Also here's the upvote this deck deserves, but not the one your ocd needs right now.

22 upvotes to smooth things out with the OCD. :D

Also, a thought - wouldn't a copy or two of Whip of Erebos solve a lot of your problems? Lifelink on Desecration Demon for example, so you don't have to worry about shock lands, Thoughtseize and even 1/2 Read the Bones , combined with the occasional resurrection of a fatty with haste (the opponent's horror of a Consuming Aberration coming out of nowhere to hit for 30 :D).

Anyway, awesome deck man, go get that 1st place on Friday. :)

Ohhhh I like the sound of that idea with the Whip of Erebos !! I wonder how well it'd work out?

Pretty well, at least in my mind it does. :) If you want to go a step further, you can add some Blood Crypt and/or Steam Vents to splash red - so you can get full use of your Breaking / Entering , and sideboard (or actually mainboard) Anger of the Gods . I used to run a Dimir deck that eventually evolved into a Grixis Control, so I can't help myself but to suggest you try the same thing. :D

But anyway, back on topic, I feel that Whip of Erebos is very underrated and has the potential to be a major pain in the ass for opponents if used properly. :)

Under rated? I think it is a bit of an overpowered card myself and i feel like soon side boards will reflect a fear of it combined with the ghost council. The suggestion here of using it in this deck has me thinking of making room for it in my deck. Though it may not serve me as well as it would here due to the fact that mine doesnt carry as many creatures. Here though it may be quite the game clincher.

Quadsimotto, I don't think it's about the number of creatures the deck runs, it's about the power of the creatures - they must be worth bringing back. Now that I think of it, the whip is actually more useful in a deck with a low number of creatures, it frees up space in the deck, because you only need to draw your bomb once, and if removed, you can bring it back instead of trying to draw another copy.

I agree with what you said about it being overpowered, it's just that people don't seem to have realized it yet - it's only $3.49, and will go up to $8-10 in the next two months in my opinion.

I would say that is highly likely. From playetesting against decks that are using it and the ghost council as a combo. It is a dangerous game changing card that i will be keeping a Psychic Strike or Syncopate in hand for. It would not be a bad card to buy a few play sets of now knowing that it rise in price as people see the value of it. I would say the same for the Bow. I do not know what it is running price wise but of the godly legendary weapon enchantment cards i would say it is the most overpowered with the whip a close second.

@ Selvin To be honest with you, I have contemplated on using Whip of Erebos for the whole bring back the dead type effect, as well as lifelink. The only issue im having is replacing cards. I have grown so attached to what cards are in here that I am not 100% sure on what to remove as of now, however, I do highly believe it is a great card and will try to put it in, I don't think it will get more than 1-2 slots though.

@ cyaegha Thanks! Highly appreciate it! As far as card draw, I did run Pilfered Plans but quickly swapped it out for Read the Bones . I feel like card draw isn't an issue since most of my draws are typically set by Omenspeaker and if Thassa, God of the Sea is out scry 1 on upkeep each turn does its job very well. So im not ready to input more draw cards at this particular time.

Well, even if you had the spare room, I would advise against using more than two copies of Whip of Erebos . :) You can take out one Omenspeaker and one Far / Away I suppose...

Idk thats a tough call Omenspeaker needs to stay a playset so I can maximize the chance of getting it on T2, and Far / Away is so useful as well, but id much rather remove something like 1x Dissolve and 1x Far / Away since Omenspeaker speeds the deck up and is a T2 body

very nice +1 for mill.