I have a deck very similar to this one and I like yours better. I do have a Thoughtseize and wondered what I should take out for it. Also what do you think about adding two Temple of Deceit to your mana base? Thanks for your time and feedback.

I like it a lot. Some expensive cards in there though, but you get what you pay for! +1 for sure.

I don't think UB (Dimir) is a thing for standard right now, you want to splash red for Anger of the Gods. Check out my list "Fate of Norns" for a reference to a very capable deck :)

What about bringing in Duskmantle Guildmage for damage on the mills? Activate the Guildmage's first ability, then Jace's +0 and then a Breaking for 18 damage?

Thats a terrible way to do the combo, you can just kick Duskmantle Guildmage twice + Jace, Memory Adept 0 ability and the opponent will take 2 dmg per card, 10 cards = 20 life, GG however, I never really used his ability that much, he is a good card but I wanted Omenspeaker to help me get draws set up.

Ill consider putting it back in the deck but the slots are kinda hard to figure out. I could remove 1x Omenspeaker and 1x Dissolve for 2x Duskmantle Guildmage lemme know what you think about that swap, I used to run the Guildmage but then took it out quite a while back! thanks for the recommendation

@ stigblue Are you serious? Dimir has so many good cards for standard at the moment. Splashing red wouldn't be out of the question though but I would basically have to start from scratch and rebuild completely.

Hey I was looking at this deck and noticed you have Rogue's Passage in the maybe board. Have you considered cards like Aqueous Form ? For one mana you're getting the same effect as Rogue's Passage with the addition of scrying. Another card I thought of was Triton Tactics to replace the effect of the Wall of Frost that you've taken out. I also decided to run Nightveil Specter instead of Desecration Demon as a way of activating Thassa, God of the Sea . Hope my suggestions help.

All great ideas, I would much rather use Aqueous Form but cards are so tight that id much rather replace a land for the unblockable with another form of land that also gives unblockable, plus lands are harder to remove vs enchants. Nightveil Specter is great but I think Desecration Demon has more overall presence since he has scary power/toughness

I like how the list is looking. I'd not want to play against it. What's the meta like in your area?

I like it. +1 from me. I did a quick playtest against my deck Heisenberg, which is a very similar esper control deck. I won on T8 by milling you out, but would have been dead next turn by your Jace, Memory Adept (my library was down to 6). Very close matchup. Please take a look at my deck and let me know what you think. I haven't taken my deck out to the LGS yet and am looking for feedback. Thanks in advance! -Apop.

@ deht The current meta in my area seems to be weenie decks with tokens and just straight aggro or burn, not too many control decks in my area because people don't see the true value of control. They aren't non existent just rare in my area, and if they are playing control its typically "sub par" in my opinion.

@ Apoptosis Thanks! Ill check your deck out, as well as my thoughts on it! Thanks for the feedback always nice to get community input.

Great mix of midrange creatures and many control cards. I don't really agree with Elixir of Immortality as I can imagine you have it in there against mill decks. I'd probably go with a Psychic Spiral instead, since you probably won't have to deal with damage against a mill deck (Unless you play against yourself).

This deck kind of reminds me of the old Jund Midrange (Thragtusk , Olivia, Huntmaster) that would stomp most of the FNM I went to. Except its UB, so it's awesome! Have all my upvotes! I'm curious how you'd do against Esper Midrange, as Supreme Verdict seems like it would make your Consuming Aberration and Desecration Demon cry bitter tears.

It keeps up with Esper for the most part, Apoptosis ran it against his amazing Esper control/mill deck and I atleast kept up but if I lost the 1st game to a Supreme Verdict I would hold my Far / Away as much as I could to bounce back Consuming Aberration and Desecration Demon to prevent them from wiping. Its just something to consider when adjusting to what you are up against. I like the idea of Psychic Spiral though its def something to swap

i'm trying out Disperse with Far / Away for extra options.

thanks Vindemiatrixx, you were a turn away from milling me out. I'll run one more playtest.

Also, If you run Disperse , Far / Away , Cyclonic Rift it's worth considering Thoughtseize . I'm leaning towards putting it in mainboard.

Game 2 wasn't nearly as close as game 1, but these sort of analysis take a lot of playtesting. Essentially I landed Ashiok, Nightmare Weaver and was able to continually mill you down. The game was stalled out evenly but a Detention Sphere took out your 2 Omenspeaker s. Eventually I was able to get card advantage with Sphinx's Revelation , which let me counter or remove threats while Ashiok stole your Thassa, God of the Sea , Desecration Demon , and 3rd Omenspeaker . That army plus my own AEtherling (which you initially countered, but I got back with Codex Shredder ) let to a two turn beatdown while you were stuck topdecking.

I think you could use more Hero's Downfall over Doom Blade . More draw with 2x Jace, Architect of Thought and possibly either another Read the Bones or Underworld Connections . Another Ashiok or two, and 2x Thoughtseize . Hope this helps. You have a solid core, it just needs a little enhancement.

If you added anything 2x Jace, Architect of Thought is where I'd start.

Yeah I like Jace, Architect of Thought but I have a question, you can't have both Architect and Memory Adept out at the the same time correct? I wish I had an Esper control deck :D but they are too expensive SADFACE

No you can't, but you do get to decide whether to have one or the other in play. the new planeswalker run means you can case one to replace the other. i.e use little jace to gain card advantage, then drop big jace to start the mill machine (or just use little jace's -2 2x).

Yeah, the only problem I have at the moment is budget wise, 2x Jace, Architect of Thought = 40$ 2x Thoughtseize = 40$ both combined are worth more than my entire deck, so its really hard deciding if its worth the money to make some improvements. Thats also my issue with Esper Control or even just Azorius, those decks are really expensive to build, totally awesome decks, but just really expensive

Might i suggest Returned Phalanx as an even earlier wall. And Duskmantle Seer as a hate card for control and big R/G or anything midrange.

Wait...where's the Temple of Deceit ?

I bet with a little patience you can get 2x jace aot on eBay for 20. That's where I get most of my singles. Probably your best upgrade for the money.

Yeah ill just have to search around, I refuse to pay 20$ per card, I got lucky and pulled Ashiok on my first booster ever bought of Theros and my only booster in fact lol. This is why I strayed away from Esper, 30$ for 1x Sphinx's Revelation and I need 3-4... nty. I can still dream!

@ jimaejackel I don't have Temple of Deceit in the deck as of now because it comes in tapped, and im not sure scry 1 is worth making my deck slower than it needs to be, im perfectly fine running basics. It is something I need to play with though and figure out if it hurts me or helps me.

Yeah i can not see myself paying that much for one card (but have and most likely will again) As for the Temple of Deceit i like them but sometimes they feel like a hindrance and am debating taking two out of my deck to make room for basics. Turn one its fine. Turn two not so much. turn three? Your killing me smalls.

Yeah and thats my exact issue with them, sure you get to scry, but if you need access to mana at that point in time and all you have is land that comes in tapped, your at a loss. I am not worried so much about shocking myself for 2 with Watery Grave because most of the time I have things under control and don't mind losing 2 most of the time, and if not comes in tapped, I don't get to scry but I still have the option to play it ready and loaded.

Yeah i think before taking mine to FNM on the 18th i will -2 deceits and +2 watery graves. Can you still use Thassa's ability to make creatures unblockable even though she is not a creature? I think i asked that in the QnA once and got a yes. but cannot remember.