Temple of Malice for red instead of Temple of Deceit ?, so you can activate Deviant Glee 's ability? :p
July 10, 2014 9:37 a.m.
caribou6425 says... #6
pwnal... you are absolutely correct. I originally was going to have a card with some blue in it and then completely had a brain fart and never changed it to Temple of Malice . So that change will be done immediately!
July 10, 2014 5:52 p.m.
caribou6425 says... #7
dan8080... I have not added any cards from M15 yet. But I will. Waste Not was most certainly one of them.
July 10, 2014 6:09 p.m.
HydrophobicFish says... #8
Your question of a finisher... I say Master of the Feast ... easily. Even ignoring that he's a big and efficient beater, his ability actually works FOR you, not against you.
Say you have a Mind Rot in hand, but they have nothing in their hand. Well, that card may as well be blank if in your possession. However, if they're still drawing cards, you still have a use for that discard effect.This becomes even more valuable once you add things like Waste Not that give you benefits for them discarding.
So yeah, feasts, easily.
July 11, 2014 9:23 a.m.
caribou6425 says... #9
HydrophobicFish...thanks for pointing that out. I Had originally built this deck before inserting Waste Not , and did not make a connection between MotF and WN. In goes MotF, out goes LR. Thanks
July 11, 2014 5:19 p.m.
caribou6425 says... #10
I have made a few adjustments. let me know what you think:
I am moving Contaminated Ground and Underworld Connections to SB. I am removing 3x swamps and adding 2x Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx .With the extra spot I will add 2x Liliana Vess , now that she is coming back in M15. I have removed 2x Pharika's Cure and replaced them with 2x Drainpipe Vermin if more discard options are needed, as well as increasing the chance to the feed Altar's Reap .
July 13, 2014 10:51 p.m.
Rakdos's Return would love a home here. Just a one or two of.
July 13, 2014 11:01 p.m.
caribou6425 says... #12
EpicJ7...Rakdos's Return is a great card and I have added it to my SB. the only reason I haven't put it in MB is because I am very happy with what I have but more importantly I don't know what I would take out to fit it in.
I have decided to remove Master of the Feast for the moment and replace it with Desecration Demon . I think DD is the best card of the 2. Once DD rotates out MotF will feature once again.
July 14, 2014 9:09 a.m.
caribou6425 says... #14
Gavindl...wouldn't Doom Blade or Hero's Downfall do the trick? And what about Pithing Needle ?
Even though I am new to Magic, have been playing for about 3 months now, I have yet to come across Loxodon Smiter . Obviously that doesn't mean I never will. I will worry about it if and when it comes up. I haven't seen anyone in my regular FNM play it. Having said that it seems to me that most decks will have difficulty with this card, unless they have some sort of removal like I mentioned. Supreme Verdict and Azorius Charm can handle it as well, but obviously they have no place in my deck. Anything that can 'destroy' creatures will suffice, at least to my understanding in regards to the wording on the Loxodon Smiter card.
Please correct me if I am wrong
July 15, 2014 8:33 p.m.
notKingCole says... #15
Pithing Needle would have no effect on Loxodon Smiter , but your other removal should do the trick. And I don't know about Crypt Incursion if you've only got one copy, and it noncombos with Liliana's ultimate. Given all the discard, you might consider Sepulchral Primordial or else other reanimation cards as an additional way to make your opponent grimace. Nice solid deck, though, +1.
July 17, 2014 10:16 a.m.
What about Duress instead of Brain Maggot ? Duress makes them discard, Brain Maggot exiles
July 17, 2014 1:56 p.m.
caribou6425 says... #17
notKingCole...thanks for clearing that up about Pithing Needle . I hadn't made the connection between Crypt Incursion and Liliana Vess , it was kinda dead weight in this deck anyways. I will be adding Sepulchral Primordial to my SB, for necessary situations.
HawkDog...I like Duress , but here is my dilemma. Even though this is a discard deck, Brain Maggot I believe, is more valuable here. Yes it doesn't discard, which means no trigger for Waste Not , but it still can help towards getting Shrieking Affliction to do its damage. At the same time it is a cheap sacrifice for Altar's Reap if Black Cat is not available. Also, I have added Tormented Thoughts to my sideboard, so having more creatures to sacrifice is part of my plan. In this case, I feel, Duress and Brain Maggot are pretty much interchangeable. Both are worthy of being in this deck. But in the end it's all about card advantage, right? I want to try Brain Maggot to see if what I am thinking works out, if not, I will put Duress into it's place without hesitation.
July 17, 2014 2:41 p.m.
Chargingbadgerrrrrrrr says... #18
drop ashioks adept and 1 deviant glee for 4 duress
July 17, 2014 3 p.m.
caribou6425 says... #19
ok, I think I am near to the final evolution of this deck. All that remains is to test it tomorrow night at FNM and see what happens.
I have made a few more changes. Gone are Ashiok's Adept , Deviant Glee and Temple of Malice . In their place are Duress , Drainpipe Vermin and some Swamp .
As you might notice, my MaybeBoard is looking very Rakdos like. I think those cards could be very effective, but I want to try and stay true to my original plan...if I can. At a CMC of 2.05, I am very happy with that. As long as I get decent draws i should have their hand down to nothing in no time...fingers crossed!
This is a pure mono-black discard deck, and I think I have streamlined it down (thanks for all your input) to the leanest possible combination to be most effective at discard.
I am very excited to try this out, because on paper it looks pretty damn good!
Any last feedback before FNM tomorrow is greatly appreciated.
thanks all!
July 17, 2014 10:36 p.m.
Scuttling Doom Engine +Tormented Thoughts funny combo but will never work
July 17, 2014 10:53 p.m.
caribou6425 says... #21
GamerSonX...I like it! I don't think it would not work, just less efficient than other card combos in my deck. It would be hella fun to see their face If I were to drop your combo bomb on them, though, lol.
July 17, 2014 11:13 p.m.
razorsoldier says... #22
You should think Read the Bones over Altar's Reap , lose life over sacriface is more profit.
July 18, 2014 6:58 p.m.
The altars reap is better here bcuz he can sacrifice the black cat to get ultra value :D
July 18, 2014 9:05 p.m.
caribou6425 says... #24
razorsoldier....Read the Bones has always been on my radar, but I put Altar's Reap in there to be able to activate Black Cat or Drainpipe Vermin if they were not getting killed from incoming attacks. By me controlling when they are being sacrificed and triggering their abilities I get a 2 for 1 deal. Opponent has to discard and I get to draw 2 cards. If Waste Not and/or Shrieking Affliction are on the board, well then the benefit is even greater. In my opinion it is better value and serves the purpose of this deck better than using Read the Bones . If you can show me otherwise, I gladly accept it.
July 18, 2014 9:09 p.m.
caribou6425 says... #25
And what Gavindl says, lol. He answered while I was typing my response.
caribou6425 says... #3
The purpose of this deck is to limit the number of cards/options my opponent has.
At the heart of my master plan is Shrieking Affliction . I have quite a few options and some combos to get my opponents to quickly be at a disadvantage and to start losing life. If I can stack 2 or more Shrieking Affliction , well that would just be cake.
Brain Maggot , Mind Rot and Thoughtseize are my bread and butter out of the gate. Cheap and efficient and in an ideal draw, get my opponent down to 3 cards by turn 3-4.
Altar's Reap and Drainpipe Vermin as a combo are quite exciting. A 2 card draw for me and 1 discard for my opponent, all for a measly 3 mana, what can I say other than, WOW! but that's just me.
Ashiok's Adept + Deviant Glee makes for a really cheap date with a happy ending or even better, the wicked combo of Ashiok's Adept +Ordeal of Erebos and it's game over.
As a last resort I want a heavy hitter to be possible if my discard and Shrieking Affliction hasn't finished my opponent off yet. For now I have chosen Liliana's Reaver to come in and pound whatever life is left out of him...the extra zombies are kinda cool too. As you can see I have also put Master of the Feast and Squelching Leeches on my maybe board because I am not sure which of these three I want to be as my finisher. Each has its advantages and or special flavour, they all will have the same result in the end. I see a lot of decks with Master of the Feast , he is great but his ability goes against what i am trying to accomplish with discard. My preference is either LR or SL because I think they are interesting and more importantly don't see them in many decks. I like to be different. But in the end I need the best card to help me win.
I like Contaminated Ground because it can really slow down an opponent's plans and the life loss is an added bonus.
Underworld Connections is great for me to set up my hand, the life loss is negligible.
I have put in Temple of Deceit for the scry to help plan my attack. In place of Temple of Deceit I am considering Read the Bones , perhaps you can weigh in on that and help me decide.
July 8, 2014 11:12 p.m.