Invasive species returns target permanent, quickling only returns creatures.

but how does that make him better? we're looking at these cards for returning Siege Rhinos or they're copies back to my hand to cast another one.

but Quickling has flash

yes, wich means he can save one from death aswell. okay, so should i replace Roaring Primadox with Quickling? primadox allows a continous effect, in a perfect hand he's freakin amazing, but Quickling kinda works as a panic button aswell

Well, with invasive species, you can return a suspension field, banishing light, or literally anything else, andsince suspension field targets your own creatures, well figure it out. I shouldn't need to explain why it is better in a meta full of removal. It isn't there to be a crit, its a bounce. Why are you worried about what's better anyway? Look at this deck.

You need a deck with more than one option and win condition for any bounce to be considered good.

idk what you're trying to say, i wouldn't "control" their suspension field, so i wouldn't be able to return it to their hand.

is RichardVein wrong? or am i not getting it.

You would run suspension field, not them. Target rhino, bounce field to your hand, then banish one of their crits, and it returns anything. You would need an original idea to use an original card. I will however say this, there's a reason no one runs quickling or invasive species. Again, it bounces anything, not just creatures.......common sense tells you it is a combo piece.

okay first off. you could've have just said that. second, what is wrong with you? this sites to help people, not bash them, their decks, or their ideas! if you have an idea to help, than freaking suggest it guy!

Tough choices, eh? When facing situation like this, sometimes all you need to do is take one step back, and look at the bigger perspective. Shall we?

Basically those choices have varying values, depending if Siege Rhino is in the field or not. Quick rundown:

Quickling: a 2/2 flying creature w/ flash that only cost two mana. What's not to love? You don't want to cast this without rhino, since that instant speed is just too great. Maybe if you're really cornered or you can bounce cheap creature(Elvish Mystic). This card really shines if rhino is already in play,since it can act as a stop-gap for removal spell

Invasive Species: a 3/3 body w/ 3 cmc, pretty basic. One thing that you should notice is, that it can bounce ANY permanent you have, including lands. So if you can't afford to bounce any of your creature, you can just bounce the tapped land that you use to cast this. (e.g. Turn 4, you already got three land in play. You have Species in hand and you just drew an Elvish Mystic. You can cast Species, bouncing the tapped Forest, then play it again and cast your Mystic.) Kinda gimmicky tho, I'm just saying it's also viable to play if you still haven't got the rhino

Roaring Primadox: 4/4 for 4 cmc. You DON'T want to cast this if rhino is still not in play. But if you have the rhino, constant life swing for 4 mana every turn is great. Or you could just bounce Elvish Mystic over and over again lol

I wonder if you've ever run into a situation where you didn't draw into a seige rhino? It seems like it would happen from time to time, and then you're a bit fucked. Maybe a Chord of Calling might be good to dodge that particular danger, or even just to step up your rhino game?

Also, how well is Archetype of Imagination working out for you? I appreciate the hilarity of flying rhinos, but I still wonder if it's the best choice, even within the glorious spirit of the deck.

So if you really want this gimmick, I feel like Phantasmal Image and Phyrexian Metamorph are being overlooked, severely. And the possible use of a couple Gray Merchant of Asphodel.

Of those 3 that you are debating about... it's not a debate. The actual debate is between these 3: Deputy of Acquittals (it's a may, this is the best one, but mana intensive), Whitemane Lion, and Quickling. They all have Flash, they all rescue or allow the chance for you to save and replay, and are cost efficient. Otherwise, your other best choice here is Restoration Angel which allows you to be heavier on the aggressive side and still have reactive plays.

Archetype of Imagination is pretty bad, not cost effective, and I'd rather have Deadeye Navigator at that point or Levitation. Although Mercurial Pretender may be ok as a two of, 4 is bad. Roaring Primadox is ok on a body, its not very good for its ability in constructed as it forces you, and Resto could easy replace it.

id cut the pretenders at least down to 2

Dorotheus: I think he's going for a Standard legal deck here. Much of what you recommended is not.

Oooh WOW. Crap. Sorry... I missed that. That makes so much more sense now. Well I guess Gray Merchant of Asphodel is still applicable hahaha

Hello! I got a little bit of my deck inspiration from you i would like you guys to let me know what you think??

Im going to be using this in my next standard event and I am very confident!

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/end-hostilities-trigger-cast-seige-rhino/

Dorotheus: No worries, it happens to all of us sometimes. :)

Although I love this deck, I think there are to much lands that deal you damage. Add in temples if you can, but keep in ((Mana Confluence)), of course.

ok. yes, it is standard. i appreciate the thought though.

1. okay, Dorotheus so Gray Merchant of Asphodel. + i can bounce him. + Clever Impersonators DO provide devotion. +more lifeswing. i can try him out as a 1 of and field him with See the Unwritten? or do you feel i should have a couple more than one?

2. i mainly only get Archetype of Imagination on the field via See the Unwritten. and i kinda like it in that sense, i have been considering going to a 1of it instead of 2.

3. wisegreenbean -Chord of Calling i've already ruled out, because for 7cmc i'd be able to cast it on a minimum of t5. and if i don't have rhino or a See the Unwritten by than, than i've probably already lost. so i feel See the Unwritten fits that body much better.

4. so there's been alot of hate on Mercurial Pretender. the 5cmc does hurt. but being able to bounce him, than recast next turn helps with extended games. so idk. replacement ideas?

I know you have had this deck around a bit, so I imagine this has been suggested, but have you considered Rescue from the Underworld? It's pricey as a 5-drop, but it is instant speed, so you can play it at the end of your opponents upkeep. After a Rhino dies, sac a rhino, bring both back. 2 rhinos enter for 5 mana. Kinda does what whip does, except the rhino gets to stick around.

Just a thought. I am pretty sure I +1'd this a long time ago.

Nobody casts Chord of Calling for its full mana cost. That's what convoke is for, and why it's a darn fine card. Getting a rhino you need for the cost of tapping 4 creatures and paying only 3 green is a very different story. Essentially it turns every creature you control into a mana dork with haste to cast it. With this deck, it's easily castable turn 4, well within the time frame for a rhino to still be relevant.

It also has the benefit of turning your entire creature base into a tool box, a popular use being Reclamation Sage. You are in a spot where you would normally just grab a rhino, but you run into a serious issue with an artifact or enchantment. Bam, instant speed destruction for as little as 3 mana plus creatures tapped.

Ari Lax would be proud.

wow that is just wrong