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Commander / EDH Epochalyptik

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Epochalyptik says... #1

Adamant Negation is another card of interest, but it's not very useful until I have Damia or a combo piece out.

September 8, 2014 2:09 p.m.

Orbrunner says... #2

Murderous Cut seems to be inferior to Pongify . If its delve cost is met (which it won't always be, especially in the early early game), then it is marginally superior, but the token that Pongify generates is irrelevant 95% of the time. It's also notable that Pongify costs U, which you're more likely to have open at any given time, while Cut costs B.

September 8, 2014 5:07 p.m.

GlistenerAgent says... #3

I also don't like that anything you could possibly delve out would be otherwise useful with Crucible of Worlds , Eternal Witness , Snapcaster Mage or Deathrite Shaman .

September 8, 2014 5:14 p.m.

Epochalyptik says... #4

Fair enough. I'm less hesitant to spend black mana, but Pongify and Rapid Hybridization are better all around.

I'm not so concerned with the idea of exiling cards from my graveyard, though. They're resources, just like any other. If I need to use them, I will.

September 8, 2014 5:33 p.m.

Emzed says... #5

What do you think about Submerge ? Is it not good enough or have you forgotten about it?

September 9, 2014 3:43 p.m.

Epochalyptik says... #6

As I mentioned, I really don't have any opportunities to playtest this deck anymore, so it's difficult to say whether Submerge would make the cut.

September 9, 2014 3:55 p.m.

atgarnett says... #7

Would villainous wealth be good as another thing to do with infinite manna?

September 10, 2014 6:06 p.m.

GlistenerAgent says... #8

Relying on your opponent's deck seems weak, but chances are that it will still work. If you want to be a jerk, you can most certainly do that.

September 10, 2014 6:14 p.m.

Epochalyptik says... #9

@atgarnett: No. I want to win the game immediately with infinite mana. Villainous Wealth doesn't win the game, and it isn't playable without infinite mana.

September 10, 2014 6:23 p.m.

Emzed says... #10

Exiling all cards from your opponent's library with Villainous Wealth is almost the same as winning on the spot, but i agree, the card is far too situational to be included in such a well rounded control deck. There are plenty of ways to finish the game with infinite mana that are actually good cards, so no need for this one.

September 10, 2014 9:46 p.m.

Villainous Wealth also doesn't guarantee a way to recur itself, which means I still need to deal with two other players.

September 10, 2014 9:57 p.m.

You could recur it with Eternal Witness and blink it.

September 10, 2014 10:03 p.m.

I could, but what makes it worth playing if I can do other things with that interaction? At that point, I would just find something that would do the job better and more easily.

September 10, 2014 10:22 p.m.

shuflw says... #14

what are your thoughts on Ad Nauseam ? on a turn with enough mana it can draw you into a tutor or combo piece, or can just refill your hand on an earlier turn for less mana than damia or if she is unavailable/ won't live until your upkeep.

also on your feb 9, 2013 update you mention that you don't personally like mana dorks, but there are currently a birds and an arbor elf in the list. do you not want MORE dorks, is this a shared list with your friend that he insisted on including a couple dorks, or or has your opinion just changed in the past year regarding the inclusion of a select few dorks?

my mimeoplasm deck is currently my best of 3 edh decks. since the other two are more casual, i've decided to try to make mimeoplasm more brutal. i'm looking to the webs for more information. unfortunately i just robbed my edh deck for some cube cards i was missing :-/

September 12, 2014 10:21 a.m.

@shuflw: Ad Nauseam is too risky to justify. It's best when built around. In this deck, I'd be paying and potentially getting only a few cards. There are some very expensive combo pieces that would suck to hit with Ad Nauseam . And while I'm not forced to continue the process, I can't justify that high mana cost (especially at sorcery speed) without drawing many cards in return.

The February '13 update was a long time ago. I have since realized how beneficial mana dorks are in accelerating you into a fast win or even just achieving mid or late game positioning earlier. My friend and I have our own lists; what you see here is the variant that I play.

If you're looking to stay with The Mimeoplasm , I caution you against reading too heavily into my deck. The Mimeoplasm plays much better with reanimator strategies (for obvious reasons), and it's risky to diverge too far from that path. If you want to go the true combo route, I suggest looking into Damia as a commander instead.

September 12, 2014 12:01 p.m.

shuflw says... #16

thanks for the comments. i built the deck using damia as the commander, but i didn't build the deck specifically tailored to damia (tons of acceleration, dump my hand every turn to take advantage). as a result i found myself only casting her when i had nothing else to do in a game, almost as a last resort. I view The Mimeoplasm as the extra card in my hand at all times, and seek to exploit opponents' graveyards as much as or more than my own.

overall i just feel BUG are the best 3 colors in edh, regardless of building to fit one specific general, and now i want to make my deck leaner and meaner. since yours has proven successful (especially in multiplayer pods) i enjoy reading through some of the choices you've made. thanks for providing the deck and all of your previous decisions as a resource, in addition you your other work on this site.

September 12, 2014 1:44 p.m.

shuflw says... #17

also, some other cards that i find helpful in my list:

Bojuka Bog - lands are tight in my deck as well even though it isn't as finely tuned as yours. if you can afford to play one more nonbasic, and one that enters tapped, it's a searchable, recurrable, "free" source of sorcery speed gy removal.

Trinket Mage - this is my "pet" card in magic in general. in your list it tutors 4 artifacts and is a wizard. i created more of a toolbox in my list which includes some underwhelming choices but makes the mage more of a diverse tutor. mana rocks, top, Skullclamp (probably unnecessary durdle in a tight list), Nihil Spellbomb or Tormod's Crypt (gy removal, my meta has a lot of gy shenanigans), Expedition Map (tutor for a land tutor, durdle harder by mapping for Academy Ruins and then keep mapping for other utility lands), Executioner's Capsule (bad removal), and Elixir of Immortality (another pet card).

it's probably all too slow for a competitive format, but i looove talking about Trinket Mage :)

September 12, 2014 2:05 p.m.

No problem. It's a pleasure to help someone else improve their game, especially if I can offer advice from experience.

The Mimeoplasm definitely allows you to explore some of the other strengths of BUG. For example, this deck doesn't really make any use of BUG's extensive reanimator suite. Overall, I find BUG and RUG to be the most enjoyable to play, although Bant and Esper are certainly very strong in their own rights.

September 12, 2014 2:08 p.m.

Bojuka Bog is a good card, no doubt, but I don't like taking the risk of losing tempo. The effect is surprisingly not very relevant in competitive EDH because of the difference in tempo. Most graveyard strategies are either very fast or very slow, and Bojuka Bog is an inopportune choice for an early land. It's tolerable as a late game play, but the risk of needing it immediately and not having access to it immediately is pretty high.

Trinket Mage is kind of in the same boat. I strongly recommend it for many decks, especially Esper, but it doesn't really fit into this deck. 3 is an awkward spot on the mana curve, and the effect isn't good enough to justify the cost, in my opinion.

September 12, 2014 2:32 p.m.

You mention that you play pongify in another deck. Are you planning on posting another decklist? I have really enjoyed building and playing this deck. I would love to see another one of your creations.

September 14, 2014 12:57 a.m.

@Frank_Glascock: I don't. My other deck is a casual Rafiq deck built mostly with commons, uncommons, and bulk. There's not much reason to post it, especially since I don't plan on making the improvements most people would probably suggest.

September 14, 2014 6:30 p.m.

NateJH says... #22

Is Living Wish not usable due to no SBs in EDH?

September 14, 2014 10:23 p.m.

@NateJH: EDH has an optional sideboard rule allowing for 10-card sideboards and pregame boarding.

September 14, 2014 10:28 p.m.

NateJH says... #24

Hm, I had always though it was a house-rule they encouraged. Thanks, the deck looks like hell of a machine.

September 14, 2014 10:39 p.m.

enpc says... #25

Hey, just a few quick questions. How useful do you find Reliquary Tower to be (I can't remember if there was a post about this already)? Obviously there's the case with Consecrated Sphinx but ouside of that do you find your hand with more than 7 cards in it?

Also, as far as lands go which do you find provides better mana fixing and speed, checks (eg Hinterland Harbor ) or filters (eg Flooded Grove )? Obviously the ABUs are just outright the best, but also sit at $100+ a piece.

September 16, 2014 9:32 p.m.

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