P/Ts and combat don't matter. I'll win the game before a 3/3 can kill me. The most a token can normally do is annoy me and make Necropotence and Mana Crypt slightly more dangerous, but there's no real threat.

I like what enpc was saying about Reality Shift. It is true that Pongify is a cheaper spot remover, but with people running card to put cards on there deck and some of your spells putting cards back on there deck. You could use that card and now it is a creature instead of a deadly spell for there combo killer. I can see this card more as a denial/delay more then a spot remover.

For instance you have your commander out (or another creature) and you Mystical Tutor your Tooth and Nail at the end of my turn. I can then answer with Reality Shift your commander (or another creature you have out) and now your Tooth and Nail is a creature and you cannot cast it and it isn't in your graveyard to get it back. Me knowing that will not kill that card for fear of one of the many combos in the deck. This would mean that you would have to kill that creature to play it from the graveyard, which would make 1 less removal that you can use on me. Same can be done if using Memory Lapse, but then you have to have both cards in your hand for it to work.

I see the needing to use on a creature probably a down side of it because if they do not have a creature on the field and you know that spell is next, there is nothing you can do about it.

@The-Xellos: That's a good application, but it's only marginally relevant. I would have to know for sure that the top card of someone's library is a threat, and I would have to have up and Reality Shift in hand. It might be a cute trick once, if I could ever get that situation to occur, but it's not nearly consistent enough to base deckbuilding choices on.

It's like running mill as a substrategy. Some players think that a few mill cards might be useful in a non-graveyard deck because there's a chance they could get rid of something important in an opponent's library. This is a waste of cards because you have no idea where the most useful cards are and no way to guarantee that milling is actually disrupting your opponent in a significant way.

Just outta curiousity, do you play IRL and if so do you own this and/or don't care about dropping some money on it?

I rarely play, but I do own the deck. Most of it is pimped out, and the total value comes to around $4650 or so.

K, jw.

how about that Insidious Dreams?

@DokuNoSquid: Insidious Dreams isn't good. At , it's hard to use properly. I won't always have the mana available for it, and it's only really economical if I'm getting multiple cards from it. That means I have to discard quite a bit and have Damia still up (hard to guarantee around the cost). It's just too clunky and needlessly risky.

Ah, i find it was useful for my damia deck, as a convenient "oh you tapped out? you dun goofed." Thought it might be something interesting

In a less competitive environment, it's certainly worth considering. But competitive EDH is very unforgiving in terms of opportunities and suppression. You always have to consider the volume of disruption that's coming in and how you need to match it.

Epochalyptik i want to build similar list to yours for 1v1 competitive environment do you have any suggestion or advice

@jaceong: 1v1 or Duel commander? Because if you're going from the French EDH rules and banlist, I would recommend having a look at this deck:

@asoFF: I'll answer your question here since it seems appropriate.

Basically, asoFF's question was whether the deck could be modified to be playable in a competitive Duel Commander environment. jaceong, this might also answer your question.

The deck was designed for traditional EDH rules and a multiplayer environment, although the deck as it is can sometimes handle 1v1 matches (it doesn't do as well against traditional EDH 1v1 commanders like Zur the Enchanter because they're optimized for single-opponent focus). Much of the deck's power comes from its explosive openers, which are enabled by cards like Mana Vault, Sol Ring, Mana Crypt, Grim Monolith, and Crucible of Worlds. Losing these cards would drastically hinder the deck's tempo.

Additionally, Vampiric Tutor, Imperial Seal, and Necropotence are significant cards, and it'd be hard to lose them.

With that said, I will also admit that I have very very limited knowledge when it comes to French rules. I'm not familiar with the tier one decks or with the tempo of the format. I can only really offer observations about how the deck would be affected in its current form by a change in the available cards.

As asoFF pointed out in a post on my profile, French rules don't actually ban any of this deck's combo pieces, so the win conditions are still theoretically viable. The game just becomes a matter of achieving them much more slowly and with fewer power plays.

I think you'd have to rely a lot more on the Exploration effects if you modified the deck for French rules. You might also want to run more basics to support some less efficient ramp spells.

Epo,

I noticed you said you don't play often. How do you test new inclusions nowadays? Anything from FRF that you are liking?

I guess you can disregard my FRF question, I see there's been discussion on the cards I'd think to include :P

For those who didn't see the Deck Help thread I created a few days ago, I've added a thought challenge to the primer. Test your knowledge and skill in a hypothetical scenario!

Epoch. Do you think you should maybe clean up the update section?

This deck on a phone is a hellscape.

It literally gave me repetitive strain injury.

I think yeaGO is working on a way to hide all but the most recent update (or there was talk of this idea, at least). I think the only way I could compress them would be do delete them all and create one large update holding something like 2,200 comments.

Have you thought about playing Tainted Pact orDemonic Consultation , like another Demonic tutor

Those cards are far too risky to be practical.

Tainted Pact introduces the possibility of exiling a key combo piece before it's needed. If that happens, I'd be forced to choose it and have a dead card in hand for the next few turns. I'd rather just tutor for the card I actually want so I don't waste resources.

Demonic Consultation sidesteps the shortcoming of Tainted Pact, but it falls off the cliff in the process. If I exile the named card as one of the top six, I end up exiling my entire library. Demonic Consultation also doesn't come with the same "stop here and take a subpar card" safety feature that Tainted Pact has; you must continue revealing until you hit a predetermined card.

Would you consider changing the commander to Tasigur, the Golden Fang? It has delve, it's a lot cheaper than damia, and also provides you with card advantage, and can put stuff into the graveyard. This deck isn't a graveyard deck as such, but more options for Eternal Witness, Snapcaster Mage and Crucible of Worlds etc are nice, and the relatively useless ones like basic lands or ramp spells (assuming you have enough mana at this point) can be used to fuel a recast of Tasigur. Admittedly, it's quite slow, and opponents having choice is never a good thing, but he's faster than damia and performs a similar role, by giving you access to more options. The ability isn't sorcery speed, so you can also just hold up countermagic and end-of-turn generate value.

How do I link you on my page as source or inspiration?

I also wanted to know what cards you would run if Deadeye Navigator, Palinchron,and Consecrated Sphinx were banned. At least 2 of the 3. Sphinx isn't on the same tier yet, but close.

@KingSorin: Absolutely not (no offense). Tasigur, the Golden Fang doesn't actually do anything useful in this deck. I generally don't want to exile too many cards from my graveyard because most of them are still useful. I could justify it if Tasigur, the Golden Fang provided some unbeatable utility, but all it really does is mill me and let an opponent choose the least relevant card to return to my hand. The reason I run Damia, Sage of Stone is that it refills my entire hand after I spend many of my resources ramping in the early game. It's a reset button that allows me to maintain advantage.

@EDHLOVE: I think there used to be a field on the edit screen where you could credit another user's deck, but it doesn't seem to be there anymore. Maybe yeaGO could correct me on this.

As for your other comment, I'm not entirely sure. The deck relies on Palinchron perhaps more than it should. But I don't think Palinchron will get the axe any time soon. It's one of the things that helps ensure combo has a home in EDH. Then again, the RC is mostly casual, so I wouldn't surprise me if they hated combo out some day.

Deadeye Navigator doesn't really have a replacement. You can still make everything work with Phantasmal Image alone, but it's less ideal, especially because it means Phantasmal Image can no longer serve as a utility creature.

Consecrated Sphinx isn't really a staple in the deck. Most of the time, I win without ever casting it (or drawing it, or tutoring for it). It's just there as backup utility.