As I said, these were ideas, you considered them. I certainly didn't intend that you should consider putting all of these in the deck. My apologies if that came across that way.
You have done a great job building out this deck, and play testing it last night showed it would run well. The only reason I mentioned anything, I see an open door. Trostani's ability is not a glorious when your dropping in a 1/1 for 2, etc, rather than a Hydra for x1 which comes in as a 12/12.
But, you've built a token deck, that's great, so maybe I can suggest something more in keeping with your theme. Emmara Tandris , Pollenbright Wings , Vitu-Ghazi Guildmage , and Trostani's Summoner might work within your synergy.
May 14, 2014 9:25 a.m.
@Darq1 I have considered Emmara Tandris but she's not very good, she only protect tokens from damage (so only during attacks or blocks). Pollenbright Wings is better in maybe an exalted voltron deck. Trostani Summoner and Vitu-Ghazi Guildmage were in earlier iterations of the deck. Summoner was great in getting tokes out but her tokens are mediocre, the guildmage on the other hand is too slow, often times when I have a 1/1 4 mana to populate that 1/1 is usually a bad deal, unless you're making one to feed to Skullclamp .
May 14, 2014 10:26 a.m.
Congregate - massiv lifegain
Odric, Master Tactician - your opponent will not block.
Soul Warden Soul's Attendant Suture Priest - constant lifegain for each creature that you play.
May 21, 2014 6:41 p.m.
@Svend All the cards you mentioned, excluding Congregate , were in the very early versions of the deck. Devout Invocation was awesome if the opponent didn't have wraths, as often if casted, you're already a big target for your opponents, you'd be over committing to your board. Congregate is useless if you don't already have a token engine. Odric, Master Tactician never really did it for me, so I took him out. The soul sisters were great if you have a lot of tokens coming in, but they don't do much good if you're behind.
May 21, 2014 9:39 p.m.
WilliamsIan says... #8
Yeah, I'm basically in love with this deck and am going to try and mirror it the best I can. It gives you the option of playing nice with your friends or being really mean if they mess with you. I was thinking though about Ajani, Caller of the Pride + Doubling Season + Trostani, Selesnya's Voice I mean in EDH that's just silly and fun but also dangerous at the same time. I think this is really cool and you did well making it!
June 3, 2014 1:37 p.m.
Thanks WilliamsIan! I used to have Ajani, Caller of the Pride in the deck, but his ultimate is too slow, often times relying on doubling season just to get there. If you have ways to tutor up the Doubling Season , then it's a party :)
June 3, 2014 3:29 p.m.
Tickles1929 says... #10
No Tooth and Nail ?
Also why O-Ring instead of something like Crib Swap or Beast Within ?
June 6, 2014 2:02 a.m.
Smeethinator the decks already hefty on the CMC to support Tooth and Nail , If I was to add it what'd you replace?
I opted for Oblivion Ring because Sun Titan can possibly get it back.
June 6, 2014 2:13 a.m.
Actually, now that I thought about it, I may replace Courser of Kruphix with Tooth and Nail . What do you think, Smeethinator?
June 6, 2014 2:24 a.m.
Tickles1929 says... #13
Makes sense.
I'd say Tooth and Nail over Overwhelming Stampede . Stampede is a good win con, but dead in your hand if you don't have the creatures to win with, such as after a wrath effect. T&N can fetch instant wins, such as Avacyn + Elesh Norn, and Avenger + Craterhoof.
If you're having issues with ramp, Oracle of Mul Daya is better than Courser of Kruphix . Skyshroud Claim is better than Explosive Vegetation in my opinion too.
Also based on your curve and the minimal level of low CMC creatures, I also feel Karametra is under powered.
Wood Elves and other low CMC land fetchers will make the deck faster and smooth your curve. Tooth and Nail with the entwine should be easily castible in any green EDH deck.
Lastly mana rocks aren't awful. An early Gilded Lotus can really help, as well as Chromatic Lantern .
June 6, 2014 2:38 a.m.
RylexandertheFriendlyGOth says... #17
I think I may be in love with this deck. +1'd, and I intend to learn from this. :)
June 7, 2014 7:50 p.m.
I'll try to take a look at this deck a bit later (I like to reciprocate deck reviews), but the number 1 thing I notice is that you're not running Nacatl War-Pride . It is, I think, the single best card to synergize with Trostani. You swing and get a bunch of tokens (which don't even have to attack the person the original is attacking), and gain a bunch of life in the process. Then, you populate a token. That populated token won't get exiled at end of turn, so you can swing with that Nacatl next time, since the original probably died in the first swing.
It is a removal magnet, yes, but if you do get to swing with it even once it puts you so far ahead of where you were it is really worth it.
Also, might I recommend Oblation ? It is probably my favorite white removal spell for (multiplayer) EDH. It can hit most anything, and can tuck generals. In a moment of desperation, you could even hit one of your own tokens to get two new cards.
June 13, 2014 8:15 p.m.
@Drilnoth I'm not a big fan of Nacatl War-Pride . It reminds me a lot of Mimic Vat with which I thought synergized well Trostani, but in the end it was too dependent on specific situations. The thing I see with it is that it's not guaranteed that I'm going to get a lot of tokens. It is, however , a card that I have never play tested. As for best synergy w/ Trostani, I'm still a firm believer that Darien, King of Kjeldor takes that spot, all he needs is to be out on board with Trostani. Turn 4 Trostani, Turn 5 Privileged Position , Turn 6 Darien is quite the pillow fort, which can still be made better with token doublers.
As for Oblation , I too am a fan. I'll have to check whether I can squeeze it in.
Thanks for checking out my deck and for the suggestions :)
June 13, 2014 9:10 p.m.
canterlotguardian says... #22
For a Brostani deck, you're rather conspicuously missing Verdant Force .
June 14, 2014 4:51 p.m.
@canterlotguardian Verdant Force is too slow for my taste, it's also very susceptible to removal.
June 14, 2014 5:22 p.m.
Hey check out my deck My G/W Commander Deck, i have been trying something out, and i know I'm not done, but do you have any advise? :)
cian114 says... #1
@Darq1
Early iterations of this deck ran Nylea, God of the Hunt , but what good is trample if your creatures are 1/1's to 4/4's (in most cases, they can definitely be bigger due to other parts of the deck).
Bow of Nylea was also in that version of the deck, it's not very good considering it only gives deathtouch to attacking creatures, not creatures in general.
I already run an Overwhelming Stampede (plus a Craterhoof Behemoth ).
Akroma's Memorial , I'm actually considering at the moment, as a replacement to True Conviction which can deal tremendous amounts of damage and gains me life, it too warrants immediate attention.
As much as I want to add Mana Reflection to the deck, I already run two versions of the card in the deck in the form of Vorinclex, Voice of Hunger and Mirari's Wake both of which have other effects that support the deck, where as, yes, Mana Reflection doubles any mana from any permanent, it is not efficient enough to be considered over the other two already in the deck.
I already have a ton of recursion to find a place for Regrowth , in the form of Karmic Guide Saffi Eriksdotter Reveillark Karmic Guide and Sun Titan .
In terms of bombs, I believe I already have a lot of them in the deck. I don't run with Eldrazis, yes, but I designed the deck to work with all the other cards in the deck. why run a giant hydra if you can run Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite which buffs your army and weakens the opponents? why run Akroma if Avacyn makes your stuff indestructible? why run Yosei if you have a 6-drop that produces 4/4's? why run more wraths in a creature based deck? I would argue that all my creatures are bombs (except for Solemn Simulacrum and other support creatures).
I don't think I need Sensei's Divining Top as I already have a bunch of draw engines already in the deck.
My overall goal in the deck is SYNERGY SYNERGY SYNERGY, which it has a lot of. A subtheme of the deck is EFFICIENCY EFFICIENCY EFFICIENCY. These two, I would argue are, the best traits of the deck.
May 13, 2014 5:07 p.m.