Yeah that's kind of where I'm at with As Foretold but might as well test it. I think Hive Mind has potential to be nuts for sure but it kind of comes out so late that it's got a 50/50 shot of doing something or being gravy.

I don't feel like As Foretold is abusable enough on the first couple of turns after it's played as opposed to in modern where it can be immediately broken. Insult / Injury fixes the problem of Nekusar decks needing to leave board open for a few turns with pain effects, I love it. Commit / Memory seems like it has the same problem as Wheel of Fate in that it can't be used from hand/in the middle of a combo turn, is the first effect good enough to be okay with that? Also since Top was banned in legacy and is more affordable I'm putting a copy in my deck, what do you think I should replace? Skirge Familiar will probably be Dark Ritual soon. This is the deck.

ShadyPear I think you'd probably get more value out of Sensei's Divining Top than Sea Gate Oracle but that's just my 2 cents. As for Commit / Memory I'm not entirely sure it's staying yet (still testing) but I do think the Commit is more so the gravy with the ability to just pitch it then cast Memory later as a finisher/failsafe being the real reason. If it were either or I probably wouldn't care since Memory is just a worse Time Reversal but the tech options are what caught my eye.

Additionally Commit can potentially answer enchantments (or other stuff) which is never easy for grixis.

I didn't even think of it as an answer to enchantments! And yeah, Sea Gate Oracle was on my list of potential cuts; the early game blocker it provided was pretty necessary in my hometowns' super creature based meta. Now that I live somewhere with more of a combo/graveyard meta the Top would probably be better there. Has Commit / Memory shown use as a flashback wheel of sorts on combo turns?

It's can be but as I mentioned before it's real potential is it's versatility either being an answer with commit or an extra wheel

After a while of playing with Dark Deal, I'm actually starting to feel that it's not that great. I end up in scenarios often where I'll have five cards in hand then use it and I only end up drawing three which isn't usually enough to continue storming. What are you're thoughts?

what is your opinion on Exhaustion for protection against people with answers it also makes them draw more cards on their turn taking more damage from nekusar, Intuition as a "cheap" tutor, Cerebral Vortex as a finisher and from my experience with this card my most favorite one, and Gitaxian Probe as a way to look and see if it's clear to play nekusar, what they can do to stop what your doing, it can see if you can have more time to set up more if they don't have anything to punish you, or just overall information. Also what's your opinion on trading out Memory Jar, and Wheel of Fortune, for Magus of the Jar, and Magus of the Wheel

I also play a very similar deck to this, I hope my opinion helps you, otherwise, wait for the original author to reply hehe

@ShadyPear I like Dark Deal, helps with the only black requirement when I'm going combo with Waste Not. My deck is easier to go off with only black thanks to Dark Ritual effects and Bubbling Muck.

@TrentenEnder I usually play in at least 4 player table, blocking one out with Exhaustion won't do the trick, I rather have some other control cards available when I decide to start the drawing. Intuition is more expensive than other options, Vampiric Tutor, Demonic Tutor, Mystical Tutor. Could do the trick with Yawgmoth's Will but not sure I have space for that. Cerebral Vortex I like the card, but I don't like going target player. The advantage of this deck is you kill everybody else on the table. I think it's massive damage after a wheel or two is already taken by Molten Psyche. Finally, I'd not change those spells for their respective magus'. Creatures require activation, a whole turn needs to go before they hit and the good thing about wheels is destroying the hands as soon as they are casted. Following this logic I removed Wheel of Fate and Jace's Archivist. Archivist's effect is good and repeatable, but 90% of the time I would not untap with him.

Why no Lion's Eye Diamond? Budget? Cuz budget doesnt seem to be an issue here, Its literally black lotus in nekusar.. i dont know how to link mine but check it out if you wish, i run less situational pain and rituals and more board wipes, artifact ramp, and control due to how focused i get, but my deck is about 50-60% identical in the foils, land base and shit like Imperial Seal, Lion's Eye Diamond, Force of Will, Chrome Mox and Chains of Mephistopheles, which ive done plenty of research and proxy testing on and its perhaps the best card in the deck, yes it negates draw damage but 3 wheels later you win via mill and opponents have no cards in hand

Also i find Toxic Deluge to be better than Damnation most of the time, i run both and deluge ia harsh on the life total but its often game changing if i pay 7 life and wipe hoards of tokens or indestructible threats that would deal much more than 7 damage

@ShadyPear and TrentenEnder pretty much what tNag552 said yes Dark Deal isn't always optimal but that's alright. Intuition is a good tutor but it really flourishes when you have 3 redundant copies of a wincon (and Grafted Exoskeleton costs too much for me). Exhaustion and Cerebral Vortex fail in the sense they're targeted spells. The maguses work alright but they're definitely budget options because of slowness. Finally I kinda like the idea of Gitaxian Probe (but maybe Telepathy instead).

@goblinguiderevealpls Lion's Eye Diamond is the next card I save up for already but thanks, Chains of Mephistopheles is to rich for my blood, and Toxic Deluge is already in the deck.

Any tips on my list? I like the idea of bubbling muck and high tide but idk how well theyd work in my list, i can see muck being powerful with urborg for sure though

Ahh idk how i missed deluge sorry

thanks for the input/advice tNag552,and jwe94, I want to explain my choice for Intuition I have demonic tutor, and mystical tutor, but I don't have vampiric tutor or imperial seal, but I did have intuition, and beseech the queen so I used them instead. also what do you think about Twincast, and Reverberate, because they can wheel again, can be tutored with by muddle, copy a tutor, or even counter a counterspell. One last question, what would you recommend instead of force of will, and pact of negation.

TrentenEnder Intuition's definitely good just got to be careful with it sometimes. Twincast, Fork, and their ilk are good but it kind of comes down to how you want to play. I don't know if you already run Misdirection but that's always helpful and if you've gotta get that free spell Commandeer and Mindbreak Trap are decent budget options.

TrentenEnder I used Fork-like spells in the past, but I finally removed those from my deck. The only spell I use to strengthen my combo is Insult, since it's basically game if I can combo from there. (If I can overcome my lazyness I'll someday upload my deck here, but it looks a lot like jwe94's). The problem I see with Fork-like spells is that they don't do anything for themselves, you need a setup and the meta with my friends doesn't let me go those extra manas, they are so aggressive.

Also, I don't own Force of Will right now, but I plan to get with one asap. Pact of Negation has made wonders protecting the combo as well as Dispel. If you don't own any, I'd try to get a copy of Pact of Negation at least. I also run Misdirection for the same reason, in my area, my Nekusar is well known and being able to redirect a Swords to Plowshares or Path to Exile in response of my Wheel of Fortune-like effect is vital.

PD: I've tried Insidious Will for it's versatility and didn't work for me either, mana cost it's too high for any option.

PD2: I'll try to upload my decklist soon enough and compare it to jwe94's, there seem to be some things we don't agree and I'd like to see if I'm wrong and be able to improve my deck!

Thanks again jwe94, and tNag552 for the advice. I really want to get the pact, probably not getting force of will, but I do have misdirection, and dispel in the deck. I'm also going to upload my deck on here soon if you guys wouldn't mind looking at it.

jwe94 and TrentenEnder This is my deck, Nekusar, when there's a wheel there's a way. I'm limited on some expensive cards, but you get the idea. Like I said, is very similar to jwe94's deck, with some slight differences, probably based on each others meta.