Eh 9 if you're waiting for marvel to rotate.

I actually like Uly, so I guess I am in the minority

Why not run Never instead of ruinous path?

tjones3293 As per description: ''I had actually switched this for a Never//Return but with the new rule on split card CMCs, it is a 7CMC in the yard and therefor untargetable with GDD...TOTALLY a deal-breaker!''

tjones3293 Ruinous Path can be flashbacked with Goblin Dark-Dwellers, whereas Never can't, having a total CMC of 7.

Got a dilemma to solve regarding Disallow.

I wanna know how often u guys actually use this for something other than being Cancel. I know EastsideRock that u got your description and stuff, but how useful is Disallow in the current meta? I'm honestly not sure whether its better to have Disallow up for its flexibility or have a Negate, Essence Scatter or even Revolutionary Rebuff (Very useful when against Zombies) with a Fatal Push.

P.S. Completely off topic, but I take insults or anything such like a pat on the back, so go ham xD

Also good as I think As Foretold is, it is only effective turn 5+ and thats if u play it on turn 3. Still testing tho, will give results once I'v played a bit more.

Illuminate21 The flexibility is what makes the card, you're always happy to have it in hand as you know you can counter ANYTHING no matter what. Sometimes you'll chose to counter the Ulamog trigger since you have a Slaugther in hand for example. Or you'll counter a Marvel activation since you're one attack from winning. The 2 copies have served me pretty well. If your meta is more Zombies than Marvel then sure, maybe you wanna play into that and switch the 3-mana catch-all counters with cheaper more dedicated ones.

Although I don't believe in As Foretold in standard, I'm disappointed of not having faced at least one deck with it haha!...I'd love to see someone build with it, it would probably be a heavy-build around list. It does get more inresting with cards like Bontu's Wrath where you will be able to completely ''negate'' the downside. If it's a cycle and the others also come with powerful effects well you will probably be able to open the Jank Valves all the way and do something like 4-5 color As Foretold control. Talking about this takes me back to 2008-2013 where I was running anywhere from 5 to 10 decks in Standard at any given time just to fuck around with cards like that. :D These days are over!...for now!?...

I know the cost(mana) is kinda high, but maybe 1 liliana, death's majesty over 1 Liliana, the Last Hope? Seems like another good payoff and you can not only get chump blockers, but her +1 can fuel Goblin Dark-Dwellers and Torrential Gearhulk. Also She can reanimate a Ulamog, the Ceaseless Hunger if you counter it against marvel, not to mention her -7 is another boardwipe. Maybe as a 1-of in the Sideboard? Seems at least worth testing, also, HAIL DADDY BOLAS.

i know this is probably a bad idea but this is the eldrazi king within me looking for a plug. Kozilek, the Great Distortion could be a SB/1 of since he is a big creature, and counters by discard.

Biggest downside for him is the 10cmc with 2 of it being colorless. Might as well ask.

As for Liliana, Death's Majesty i'd say it is more of a budget choice(and an amazing option in general) and it is worth a shot.

MTGsoccer13 I like Lili Death and had her in my Maybeboard for a while but since the meta is still aggro and combo, she isn't relevant right now. I keep an eye on her if ever midrange makes a comeback. She can only reanimate creatures from YOUR graveyard, so not possible to get opposing Ulas!

TheBooman Kozilek is cool and all, but we aren't in desperate need of another finisher. Obviously we wouldn't even have the mana base to support the colorless mana like you said. Uncounterable hexproof Sphinx is really the best option VS decks that go the long game like control! ;). For the decks that want to ramp/control, Ula would still be the best choice at that CMC range, which is why we never saw any Kozilek land on the field in this format (he's dope in EDH though :D).

Hey so I really want to play grixis so I built a list for you to check out http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/grixis-control-yaaaa/

I run a very similar list to this minus the Lili and GDD. I thought about adding GDD, but not totally sure how good Lili is in a competitive setting with this control matchup. I'm one of "those guys" who does not like to tap out early giving my opponents time to cast anything unfavorable, yes I'm talking to you Aetherworks Marvel. With that being said... I do like your list a lot and may end up adding GDD, but would need to playtest so to see how much it is benefit it is versus my strategy of just not letting my opponent play magic at all.Also how does your strategy work against the early game fast decks such as zombies, w/r humans? It is still in meta a lot of places and why I mainboard 2x Fatal Push and Magma Spray with Kalitas, Traitor of Ghet

Hi wondering why there's no fatal push on your list?

Can I ask why you have no copies of Pull from Tomorrow? That card is insane! It seriously wins you games. I'm basically playing your list without a couple of cards I don't have, and replaced them with Pulls and I have won so many games because of them. The card advantage is so powerful. Even maybe if you cut a land for one that might work, I don't know

I don't know if it's just me but Liliana, the Last Hope has literally done nothing lately, I either have no time to play it, or they just ignore it because they can kill me before it actually does anything. Just wondering if anyone else is experiencing the same thing.

Not really the same for myself, I usually play her either T3 or late in the game with a couple answers in hand just in case.

xerioc Thx for dropping by. GDD is very core to everything we are doing because it's often a back-breaking 2-for-1 against our opponent. Especially now with Suns, I cannot tell you how many times I've swung the tide by going like turn 5 GDD, wipe their board and drop a Menace 4/4. Everything usually goes drastically downhill for them at that point. While it is true that I side out Lili against Marvel, it excels VS pretty much any other matchup, and although I don't usually like tapping out either, I have no problem in dropping it on 3 VS super-aggro decks. For example Lili in hand VS mono-red is almost a sure win. Lili in hand VS U/R control is also awesome if you can just manage to get her on the field, they have a hard time dealing with PWs. My meta isn't that aggro though, which is why I only have 1 Magma main, Push is another discussion (see below!)

aliensoup Hey man, I get this quite often. Pretty simple; we have no reliable way to have it Revolt so it usually becomes a lesser Magma Spray. I have tested with it and it rarely happened that I didn't wish I had any other piece of removal instead. If meta becomes less Combo and more Aggro, then perhaps would reconsider.

eragon795 Not being recastable with Hulk/GDD is the main reason. I could see trying out a copy maybe by replacing an Anticipate. I am tempted.

MadLuckKing Turn 5 or 6 Lili while keeping up removal/counter is usually how this one shines. While it is true that sometimes the window closes on her, she has brought me much more positive than negative. She's good when she complements your other plays. She's bad when opponent ''doesn't care'' about her because she can't complement our game plan in the particular matchup (mostly Marvel and G/B counters). She's awesome when she steals games with her Ultimate obviously. She sometimes let us take the lead in grindy matchups when we have a Hulk/GDD in the yard that we need to recast. OVERALL it's her versatility for low investment that makes her good (kinda like TITI). If your Meta is just too fast, nevermind and mainboard a couple more guaranteed efficient quick answers instead!

MARVEL IS BANNED!!

Oh this is verrrrry good for us!! (I think lol)

http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/feature/june-13-2017-banned-and-restricted-announcement-2017-06-13

Even though many said that LORD BOLAS wouldn't see any play with Marvel (until Ula rotates at least), the mere thought of having Marvel douchebags drop Bolas instead of us Grixis folk was really infuriating!!

This has made my day! :D

Without a combo deck to combat, we can now go back on solely prioritizing just killing everything like we want to be doing!! :D

YeaH, my mono black zombies list is very happy as well :)

Noctem Cute

Immediate Sideboard changes: -Summary Dismissal -Dispossess +Magma Spray +Commit//Memory

Yes I'm going to be testing with Commit, seems like a great catch all, heard good stuff about it but have yet to try it.

Wildfire Eternal - 3R

Afflict 4 (Whenever this creature becomes blocked, defending player loses 4 life.)

Whenever Wildfire Eternal attacks and isn't blocked, you may cast an instant or sorcery card from your hand without paying it's mana cost.

Thoughts?

Sweet card, but it doesn't fit what we are doing, and it doesn't affect the board when it lands. Our riskiest play is Kalitas, and this is not Kalitas. Now if it had haste, mayyyyybe I'd consider more :P.

I am DEFINITELY gonna play the shit outta this in EDH though :D

...and suddenly all I'm facing on MTGO is G/B midrange! Bring it on bitches!! Killing is our business...and business is good!!

Seems like many are also trying to ramp ramp ramp and cast Ula no matter what, so I took out By Force and put back Summary Dismissal.