Interesting. I just opened a Dragonlord Silumgar, but was planning to make him a commander. If I were to put him in here, any idea what I might be able to cut?

Well, I would probably cut Incite Rebellion only because, its how many creatures they control, so if they have a deck like yours with little creatures, it aint going to do shit, pretty much I feel if its isnt a token deck, 6 mana to do like a roughly strong estimate of 5 or less damage most of the time isnt worth it for 6, it isnt bad but I feel Dragonlord Silumgar could do work for you. I play a Avacyn, Angel of Hope mass boardwipe deck, so you could just jack Avacyn, Angel of Hope, or could steal other cards such as another Liliana of the Veil from someone, have 2 sacrifices you know all that fancy shit.

Portcullis is just as good as Lethal Vapors if not better

True enough. The only worry is that they come back after the Portcullis leaves. I could probably make room for both. The fact that it can be found by either Tezzeret is a plus too.

Dreno33, Kozelek, Poptartz95, -KinkyPie-, He_Who_Seizes_Thoughtseize, TheFoilAjani, dewicious007, and griffstick: Any help now that I've updated the build?

1. 13 planeswalkers is pretty low for a "Super friends" deck that runs The Chain Veil.

2. Why is there no Tamiyo, the Moon Sage??

3. Not enough artifacts for Tezzeret, Agent of Bolas.

4. Consider adding either one or both of the other lilianas.

Your not running Doubling Season? Why?

because its not in his colour identity griffstick

Oh, duh, brain fart.

I think you should switch out the stuff that proliferates for extra turn stuff take out Tezzeret's Gambit for Time Warp, and The Chain Veil for Time Stretch. I think because your running both 11 creatures and 13 walkers that extra turns will benifit them both better

I would also add Rise of the Dark Realms, Rite of Replication, and Insurrection cause these cards are just game winners in most cases.

@Dreno33: I thought I was a little low on walkers, so I dropped some spells I didn't need in favor of a couple Chandras, Tamiyo, and an extra Jace.

I'm on the fence about Ashiok. I am putting my Liliana of the Veil in my Karador deck, and I don't think Dark Realms would be worth it in this deck. I have a Daretti, but once again there aren't really enough artifacts to use with him. I also have Flipiana, but I don't have enough critters to use her either.

@griffstick: Nice suggestions. I was thinking of putting in some extra turn cards, but wasn't sure what to cut necessarily. I have Temporal Mastery, Time Stretch, and Time Warp at my disposal, but I'm iffy on cutting The Chain Veil or Tezzeret's Gambit (Mostly since the gambit is instant-speed and offers card advantage). But I'm always bad with deciding what cards to remove from decks.

Rite of Replication and Insurrection both have one problem: I'm constantly wiping the board and bouncing stuff back. I understand that they are win-cons all in their own right, but with the amount of removal I have I don't know if it's justifiable to run them. Rise of the Dark Realms is a Lilly ult, however, and I like it a lot. I'll put it on the maybe board until I can snag one.

Do either of you have suggestions for cuts? Did I put in too many protection cards and not enough walkers/win cons?

Your commander is your easiest win con. You could do a lil bit to make him kill quicker. An instant win condition with your commander like Savage Beating and if you also threw in Tainted Strike or Grafted Exoskeleton for quicker easier kills

You could add Everflowing Chalice to get infinite planeswalker loyalty activation out of Tezzeret (so long as everflowing has at least 4 charge counters on it).

Im sorry, but I can't handle all this badass...

Not exactly sure what to do with the deck right now. I want to move around walkers and try to get my color spread a little bit more even.

Any suggestions, guys?

This deck absolutely needs Dack Fayden. One of the most powerful 3cmc walkers ever. All three of his abilities are relevant in commander.

FadingReality, good suggestion. I had Dack Fayden in other drafts of this deck. His +1 and -2 are most useful in EDH yes, but his emblem doesn't help me really, as I have no spells that target a permanent (without bouncing them or killing them anyways). What would you suggest as a cut for it?

Really like the Super Villain theme you have going on!

I agree that you do not nearly have enough artifacts to make either Tezzeret remotely interesting in this deck. I know it was suggested before, but I also wondered why no Liliana of the Veil; can't you switch her when you are changing decks? Also agree with Dack Fayden.

New suggestions would be Liliana, the Necromancer from the recent core set and Jaya Ballard that can help with your awesome but expensive sorceries.

You can probably lose Darkness and Disrupt Decorum.

Liliana of the Veil just feels underpowered in Commander. The only way for her to gain counters forces me to discard, which is not something I often want to do. On top of that, she starts at very few counters and takes a long time to get to her ultimate, so I can't see myself doing much other than her -2. I also happen to have her in my Malfegor deck where self-discard is beneficial. The same can be said about Liliana, the Necromancer. Her +1 is very weak in commander, and her -1 seems really weak as well in a deck with 11 creatures. Her ultimate is really good, but I feel like the other tezzerets would be more useful than her.

Dack Fayden is a pretty solid choice, as is Jaya Ballard.

Thanks for the input. I can probably lose Disrupt Decorum and one of the tezzerets for now. The question is, which tezzeret should I cut first? Master of Metal seems like the most useful.

I too was looking at which Tezzeret to cut. In doing so I was looking at your artifact count. You have 11 (under the default "artifact section"), + 2 creatures, + 3 lands (the esper artifact lands) for a total of 16 artifacts. You could cut a basic mountain to add a Darksteel Citadel. Your land base is quite solid and I think you've done a great job at optimization. You only have 2 colorless producing lands, which means that if you add a third one you'd still be well within an acceptable threshold for colorless lands in a 3 color deck. It will up your artifact count even further and (although usually not relevant), it will protect against land destruction. I recomend dropping the basic mountain because, aside from Back to Basics (a card usually unseen outside of cedh), you'll generally only be up against Blood Moon or Ruination and mountains aren't that important (if at all) against those over other basic land types. With Blood Moon on the field, all you get are mountains anyway!

But on to the Tezzeret question... I think you should cut Tezzeret, Master of Metal and keep Tezzeret the Seeker .

Master of Metal

Tezzeret the Seeker

To me, the only real point of running Master of Metal is his ult, which won't happen in most games. Additionally, adding Dack Fayden gives you access to a lesser version of that ult that you can get off in 100% of games where he resolves and isn't countered.

Very solid reasoning there. I'll probably make the following swaps then:

-1 Tezzeret, Master of Metal

-1 Disrupt Decorum

-1 Mountain

-1 Island or Swamp

+1 Jaya Ballard

+1 Dack Fayden

+1 Darksteel Citadel

+1 Boseiju, Who Shelters All (I can't believe I forgot about this, it's so important to my big sorceries)

You've only 99 cards as of right now!

Whoops! Not sure what was missing, so I just manually added the whole deck back in lol

Hello,

I just find your deck and it is very inspirational.

Thanks.

I've be brewing my own on the same theme : https://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/nicol-bolas-grixis-superfriends/