Halvar, Divine Voltron

Commander / EDH NensouHiebara

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MagicalHacker says... #1

This deck seems like the perfect one for Inquisitor's Flail . Being able to double the amount of damage your voltron does for an investment of 4 mana is bonkers good.

Also, I know Grafted Exoskeleton is a bit risky, but from what I've heard from everyone that has used it, if you're voltroning, it's definitely worth it especially if you're voltroning with creatures other than your commander often.

August 3, 2014 11:55 p.m.

jwe94 says... #2

Have you thought about using Spectra Ward ? It's not spectacular bit pro colors could be helpful

August 4, 2014 12:01 a.m.

MagicalHacker says... #3

I like that card suggestion, jwe94, I think that it would work only in a deck that specifically doesn't run auras! On top of that, the fact that it combos with the commander makes it even sweeter.

August 4, 2014 12:10 a.m.

NensouHiebara says... #4

@MagicalHacker

No interest in Inquisitor's Flail . I've pretty much exhausted all of the Equipment options available. I'm waiting for new, worthwhile Equipment to be printed.

Never going to use Grafted Exoskeleton . It devolves the strategy of the deck into just attempting infect kills, makes an opponent's artifact removal a 2-for-1, and turns games into Archenemy just for using it. I'm keeping poison kills as a back-up plan only.


@jwe94

As stated in the Deck Description, I'm not going to use Auras. I already have access to pro-colours from the Swords and 8.5 himself.

August 4, 2014 11:15 a.m.

MagicalHacker says... #5

I understand the fact that the Exoskeleton is not going to look good politically, so I agree with you there.

Could you elaborate on the Flail a bit more? It's not a new card, but the way I see it, it's a cheaper Fireshrieker that can stack with Fireshrieker , so I'd say it's pretty worthwhile. Thanks!

August 4, 2014 11:38 a.m.

To be fair NensouHiebara, you're playing a voltron deck with swords that give protection from colors. If you're able to actually get there, it's not because everyone let you. Voltron decks are scary just by virtue of their being able to 1-2 shot people. I'm not saying that you should consider Grafted Exoskeleton , but the using the point that it's going to draw the ire of those at the table is silly because it's something you're already doing. Voltron decks get worse when the number of opponents increases, for the simple fact that killing someone usually makes everyone wisen up and team up to take out the biggest threat to their health (aka you).

I commend not running infect as a tutorable equipment, but you, like myself, are running Inkmoth Nexus which serves as an alternate win con given enough equipments thrown on it.

August 4, 2014 12:50 p.m.

NensouHiebara says... #7

@MagicalHacker

I want to focus my attention on new Equipment that come out. Maybe I'll give Inquisitor's Flail a try, but new Equipment take priority.

August 4, 2014 6:27 p.m.

MagicalHacker says... #8

Ah I understand. Did you try Hot Soup ? It's personally one of my favorite M15 cards, but it may not do much here. Maybe. I don't know.

August 4, 2014 7:26 p.m.

NensouHiebara says... #9

@MagicalHacker

Hot Soup doesn't do enough.

August 5, 2014 10:34 a.m.

griffstick says... #10

This is good +1 but its too much money

August 11, 2014 11:30 p.m.

Skyfolk says... #11

but its too much money

... What?

August 12, 2014 11:51 a.m.

Check out my Tails deck

August 14, 2014 5:08 a.m.

Unlife says... #13

what about Harsh Mercy ? You don't have a tribal theme going but it might be worthwhile if you want to wipe most of the board and keep your equipped commander around

September 3, 2014 8:26 p.m.

NensouHiebara says... #14

@Unlife

Harsh Mercy will never kill that one creature on the field giving you the most grief. I ran into this problem when I used Divine Reckoning and Cataclysm a while back. It's also absolutely terrible against tribal decks and token armies.

September 5, 2014 11:45 p.m.

lemmingllama says... #15

To improve your land base, maybe use Flagstones of Trokair ? It's very nice against decks that use Armageddon

September 7, 2014 4:36 p.m.

NensouHiebara says... #16

@lemmingllama

Flagstones of Trokair is a joke. It does absolutely nothing and doesn't offer any practical utility. One Plains after mass land destruction isn't going to make much of a difference and I'd rather be behind on land for Land Tax and Weathered Wayfarer to function. Terra Eternal , Sacred Ground , and Faith's Reward are vastly superior counters to mass land destruction than the do-nothing pseudo-Plains.

September 7, 2014 7:20 p.m.

TurboFagoot says... #17

I disagree entirely with your assessment of Flagstones.

The big reason is opportunity cost. Terra Eternal, Sacred Ground, etc. are all actual do nothings as you've spent a card for a minimal effect. Flagstones only cost is playing it as your land drop. Seeing as it taps for white and doesn't ETB tapped, this is a low opportunity cost. You're not spending a card, and the only slot it eats up is that of a basic plains.

You mention you want your basic fetchers to function properly. You have 20 Plains in the deck. I struggle to think of a time where you need to trigger (And find) Plains number twenty off of Land Tax for it to actually matter.

An equally corner case is Flagstones superiority over basic Plains when facing down a Strip Mine, and you have one white source. This is very unlikely to happen, just like the relevance of 19 versus 20 Plains.

Also, one land after mass LD is huge. The reason LD is big a lot of the time if the caster's ability to go "Armageddon -> Land drop", thereby putting themselves ahead. Gaining the Plains off the trigger off sets this gain, putting you back on equal ground. (As equal as a post Armageddon game can get)

It just seems like you're forgoing possible upside (Even if small upside) because of a non-existent opportunity cost. You're free to do what you want with your list, but your reasoning doesn't seem sound.

September 7, 2014 7:38 p.m.

Skyfolk says... #18

Spending $10 on a land that does nearly nothing more than a Plains (a one-time indestructible effect? Wow SO GOOD) is a really dumb use of money. Not to mention that one land really is insignificant after a mass LD as anyone in our meta who uses it will win on that or the next turn. Nobody in our meta plays mass LD just to play mass LD and be dicks.

September 7, 2014 7:47 p.m.

griffstick says... #19

September 7, 2014 7:52 p.m.

griffstick says... #20

Besides your deck is allready 500 bucks whats 10 more bucks

September 7, 2014 7:54 p.m.

Skyfolk says... #21

I'm actually pretty sure I've spoken with my friend here about this and we're both in agreement about Flagstones in Commander, but hey, you can keep trying.

September 7, 2014 7:55 p.m.

TurboFagoot says... #22

Skyfolk, you sound pretty offended and I don't know why.

It's fine if you don't want to spend that much money on a card, but don't tell me it isn't just better in most cases to justify your decision to opt out. That's cool that your meta doesn't play LD, it doesn't nullify all the situations in which Flagstones is superior to Plains.

September 7, 2014 7:56 p.m.

TurboFagoot says... #23

Oh if I had seen that second comment you just made I wouldn't have posted again. You seem really belligerent, and you're acting this way to people who are trying to help OP by offering suggestions. There's no reason to be such a douchebag.

And if you two both agreed you don't like the card, congratulations, you're both wrong, for reasons listed above.

I'm done talking to you.

September 7, 2014 7:58 p.m.

I'm going to throw in my two cents. Flagstones of Trokair is a Plains that is strictly better in EDH. I don't know how much land destruction you play against, but I would like an explanation of why it is bad. If you replace a Plains with it, the deck would be a bit better, no?

September 7, 2014 7:59 p.m.

Skyfolk says... #25

Giving an opinion and saying someone is wrong for theirs is funny from someone who just called me a douchebag. The metagame this deck is made for is clearly different than yours, which should have been obvious.

September 7, 2014 7:59 p.m.

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