Darksteel Forge is MUCH harder to get rid of than avacyn, don't discount it also avacyn can be taken from you once it enters whereas the forge is much less likely to get stolen. I would reconsider the forge if you have room

Except Avacyn is good without Mycosynth Lattice and the Forge is a waste of 9 mana without it. Not to mention there are plenty of ways to exile and steal artifacts.

@maiden77

I don't have the space nor the interest in running both Avacyn, Angel of Hope and Darksteel Forge. Avacyn is used instead of Forge because she's way more useful.

• Avacyn is a beefy, vigilant flier that can hold Equipment if need be to become a massive threat. Forge just sits there.

• Avacyn can protect my utility creatures and enchantments. Forge can't.

• Avacyn is 8 mana. Forge is 9. The one mana difference is relevant.

Avacyn is a better fit for my deck. If she ever gets stolen too often, no major worries. I have proper removal and Homeward Path will find a spot in my deck.

Just sayin its way less likely to have artifact removal in a deck than creature removal. Yeah ther r plenty. But commonly run?no. Whereas path to exile and swords to plowshares r staples. and with 27 artifacts forge is far less than useless lol. Probs diff in ur meta tho. N homeward cant really b relied upon as a one of maybe add Expedition Map if ppl start stealin ur creatures too often.

Uhh, I'm sorry but exile removal for artifacts is a staple in white.

@maiden77

Return to Dust and Oblivion Ring are commonly run. Oblivion Ring is even able to hit both.

Avacyn, Angel of Hope is a more efficient card. That's why I'm running it over Darksteel Forge.

I agree with what you are saying NensouHiebara and I really wasn't aware that artefact removal was a 'staple' must be your metas, be quite difficult to exile artifacts in green black and red though, and I have never like O ring in EDH because it is only temporary, I like my spells more efficient. That's just my preference though agree Return to Dust sees play but that's just one spell as opposed to many exile creature effects. Skyfolk got any examples of these 'staple' artifact exile cards you know about?

Dust to Dust, Return to Dust, Into the Core and to a lesser extent Leonin Relic-Warder, Revoke Existence and now Shattering Blow are played in abundance. The only exile creature removal for white I see around are Path to Exile and Swords to Plowshares, and sometimes Dispatch. O-Ring is heavily played in most metas and hits both, of course. Remember: Smart people run answers.

lol. I never see those remove artifact spells played because they are too limited in scope. if smart people run answers smarter people run answers that answer more things. but I did forget about Revoke Existence that's a good one, still though its sorcery speed, I personally dislike sorcery speed removal and certainly dislike removal of just artifacts, then again I tend to find that enchantments get played just as much as artifacts so I only run spells than can deal with either or both. you never see Hallowed Burial, Condemn, Oblation, Unmake, Chaos Warp, Terminus, Sever the Bloodline ? I would consider these staples and smarter answers as they deal with problems and commanders permanently. interesting to see that your meta runs a lot of artficat removal though for sure and I can see why you guys favour the avacyn over the furnace

I also know very well what oblivion ring can hit but its temporary that's its huge drawback, although its flexibility is very useful for mono white

i dont think Darksteel Forge would be a better idea Avacyn, Angel of Hope is much better in a equipment based deck because holding a sword is exactly what you want your deck to do i agree with the creator of the deck

Have you considered Sword of Vengeance over the Helm of Kaldra ? I know you have all 3 Kaldra pieces but the helm seems like a slightly cheaper version of SoV without the Vigilance or +1/+0 buff. I originally had the set in my own Kemba deck but found that the 4 and 4 for the shield was far too restrictive on the mana base and required either dumb luck or a devotion to equipment tutors that would be otherwise better suited to fetching out the Swords of X and Y. It could also serve to free up a space for another card if you subbed in the SoV and ditched the shield.

Also, Quietus Spike is all well and good for something other than Kemba, but it's kind of a moot point if you're going all in for Voltron. Her general damage will be the likely killer more often than not, and with the deathtouch + swords they might not even be able to block you. I'd personally suggest Basilisk Collar over it as it drops much earlier and offers lifelink which can help you outlast your opponents that aren't trying to kill you via commander damage.

@CrimsonWings3689

I'm actually trying out Sword of Vengeance in place of Sword of War and Peace . I took out W&P because it isn't as strong as the other Swords and Pro-White screws over my Planeswalkers. Sword of Vengeance was in my deck before and I wanted to find a way to put it back in. I like having the Kaldra Equipment in the deck as it gives me options in a long, drawn out game.

Kemba is a massive target, and as such will eat removal and may become too expensive to cast or become tucked. If that happens, my other creatures need to be able to take down multiple 40+ life totals. Quietus Spike is also a counter for excessive lifegain.

Not sure if you have a lot of multicolor players in your play group, but Renounce the Guilds from DGM looks to be like an awesome removal spell for multiplayer games.

@CrimsonWings3689

There is a lot of multicoloured decks in my playgroup, but I might not use it as I'm not really interested in adding another removal spell.

Will have to test it out.

You don't run Whispersilk Cloak ?? I know shroud may be a pain to work with equips, but the unblocklable thing is really good.
Also, Vorrac Battlehorns may be an alternative.
I'd suggest Spirit Mantle and Holy Mantle but some swords give protection from white...

I really would test Renounce the Guilds. Often times someone's first multicolored spell will be their general. See Geist of Saint Traft , Uril, the Miststalker , Mayael the Anima , etc. Renounce the Guilds will allow you to buy some time. Later on in the game you still get a lot of value out of it by putting yourself ahead of everyone else.

When Rollover Minutes was in testing I had Argentum Armor and was never excited to see it because a whopping 12 mana for out/on is a LOT of mana to invest. Yes the +6/+6 and the destroy target permanent is nice but, again, that's a LOT of mana to invest.

@lil_cheez

Unblockability is awesome, but having to burn mana to move Whispersilk Cloak off of Kemba to equip her is annoying.

Vorrac Battlehorns doesn't do enough for me to add it.

I'm not using Auras. Auras and Swords don't mix and I don't have the space to support Auras.

@Ohthenoises

What concerns me about Renounce the Guilds is that it can be worked around and is completely dead against monocoloured decks. Because of that, it might not make the cut.

White has easy ways to get around Argentum Armor 's high costs.

@Ohthenoises Wait.. You have an Omnath Deck with a handful of mana doublers and 12 mana is a lot? You should be able to Genesis Wave your entire deck and still have mana open for Argentum Armor . Not that I'm glorifying Argentum Armor , as I see it's not needed in your Omnath deck, but 12 mana is definitely not an investment in mono-green.

When you consider that 12 mana buys you a Kozilek, Butcher of Truth , Ulamog, the Infinite Gyre , or Blightsteel Colossus it's a lot.

But you can easily cheat Argentum Armor out, and speaking from experience, it's rather devastating when it gets dropped and your things get blown up one by one.

Dude. I am a Kemba fan too. She was my first rare

Raksha Golden Cub should be put in because he is pretty darn good because one he pumps himself and makes all your cats really really scary! MEOW! Also you should add Konda's Banner

@ManfromWanoCountry

Raksha Golden Cub was in the deck before, but was taken out when I stopped focusing on tokens. Konda's Banner isn't in the deck for the same reason and because of the fact that only two creatures in my deck can even hold it.

Oh ok that makes sense keep on keeping on then