Why don't you put in 4 boreal druids instead of the elvish mystics
March 11, 2014 10:08 a.m.
Nevermind my last comment. I'm kinda new and didn't realize that elvish mystic was a druid
March 11, 2014 12:12 p.m.
CurdBrosBrewingCo says... #4
That's cool GreenHorn....thinking about those small things that can end up being important is great; especially for someone new to the game! You were trying to make the deck better; so of course I appreciate the suggestion. Thank you!
March 11, 2014 1:55 p.m.
My first play test against this deck and I won with my first modern deck! :D very skewed results of course, but I will never forget I won first! muahahahah
Here's the deck I beat you in, ONCE:
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Are the misty rainforests for fetching the breeding pool and temple garden.
March 12, 2014 9:59 a.m.
CurdBrosBrewingCo says... #7
Yessir! Its just easier than playing more of each Shock Land because this way if I want I can also just fetch a Forest and its nice to have a few basics in the deck with all the Path to Exile 's running around now!
But to answer your question; yes, that's the main reason the Misty Rainforest 's are in there. Good eye!
March 12, 2014 1:06 p.m.
Cool cool. Is there a cheaper fetch land I could use? I'm on a bit of a budget right now but want the deck to play the same
March 12, 2014 1:11 p.m.
RousseausDisciple says... #9
Verdant Catacombs is like $30 cheaper, GreenHorn. It does literally the exact same thing because you are always fetching the forest side of shocks and still finds basic forest, obviously.
March 12, 2014 2:17 p.m.
I know it's in your sideboard, but I'd change the Elvish Mystic Llanowar Elves Split for 4x Arbor Elf 2x Elvish Mystic 1x Llanowar Elves
March 12, 2014 3:39 p.m.
CurdBrosBrewingCo says... #11
That's a really good suggestion RousseausDisciple...
If you don't have access to fetch lands, you may be able to play a few more Breeding Pool s and/or a few Hinterland Harbor . The Abundant Growth s and Cavern of Souls will help you get the blue for Coiling Oracle relatively easily.
If you don't play the Horizon Canopy 's ; obviously you will want to take the white out of the sideboard. I like the Canopy's for the white and for the cycling (as this can be extremely useful); but they're relatively expensive too :)
You can get away without the Misty Rainforest 's though GreenHorn (if you add a few other blue sources and a few other Forest s) as there are a several ways to get the blue needed for Coiling Oracle ....While they thin the deck; this is minimal given only four fetch lands in the entire deck. I would say only a very few games would be substantially different without them...
March 12, 2014 9:46 p.m.
CurdBrosBrewingCo says... #12
Adroniac....I will try that out tonight for sure. Arbor Elf is traditionally superior; so it may be a good addition. I won't re-hash all the reasoning above for Arbor Elf 's initial removal; but it ,may be great simply removing the Utopia Sprawl and having kept Arbor Elf . Thanks!
March 12, 2014 11:30 p.m.
CurdBrosBrewingCo says... #13
Currently fixing up sideboard....testing to see what's best!
March 15, 2014 7:59 p.m.
frodooftheshire says... #14
What about dosan the falling leaf instead of defense grid?
March 16, 2014 10:33 a.m.
CurdBrosBrewingCo says... #16
frodooftheshire..I really like the idea of Dosan the Falling Leaf ! He adds to devotion at the same time he shuts off my opponent's instants on my turn (counters, etc.)
My only concern with him is that he's easily killable (a Lightning Bolt will do it and they're everywhere :). His ability is great, but I don't know how long it would be in effect (as he'd be destroyed quickly). I'm gonna test it today (now actually :) to see if the pros outweigh the cons. Thank you for the great idea!
March 16, 2014 2:46 p.m.
What about Presence of Gond combo'ed with Umbral Mantle and Elvish Archdruid ?
March 16, 2014 6:43 p.m.
as far as Dosan the Falling Leaf you do have Lightning Greaves And you always seemed to pump one out with a Genesis Wave . But then again you may as well go with Asceticism . Which might be a better option anyway
March 16, 2014 7:28 p.m.
CurdBrosBrewingCo says... #19
Still working on the perfect sideboard (although SBs are always changing) to ensure my match ups vs Control, Scapeshift, and Twin are above 50/50 post board (as these are the tougher match-ups. I've found Nissa Revane to be quite helpful against Scapshift (as well as her uses against burn and Zoo, etc.) so she's back in for the time being.
One big thing I'm testing now is using Staff of Domination over Umbral Mantle ....while the infinite mana combo requires one more elf with Elvish Archdruid (need him + 4 elves rather, than him + 3 elves)...once you have it, you've won; whereas with Umbral Mantle you either need Ezuri (in hand or on board), Garruk at 4, a Genesis Wave in hand, or your opponent must have no blockers....while often times you will quickly get to this point (cycling Horizon Canopy etc.); it may cost a turn.
I'm going to test and see how many games I would have benefitted with Umbral Mantle over Staff of Domination as I play it (I.e games with only three additional elves, etc) and/or games where it makes no difference. Obviously, if the staff pays off in more games; I'll keep it!
The nice thing about the staff as well is it can use up excess mana as well...but this is a side benefit that I will also take into account. Let me know what you guys think!
March 18, 2014 9:54 p.m.
CurdBrosBrewingCo says... #20
A BIG problem with Staff of Domination is that is says "untap TARGET creature"....with Lightning Greaves this is not possible. It was great being able to draw cards with excess mana though....
I will have to see if Swiftfoot Boots + Staff of Domination is better than Lightning Greaves + Umbral Mantle ....
Swiftfoot Boots
is actually a little better than Lightning Greaves
(obviously assuming you have the mana) because you can equip an Umbral Mantle
AFTER you've attached it and can also target the Elvish Archdruid
with Staff of Domination
if you go that route.
As always, let us know what you guys think!
March 18, 2014 11:24 p.m.
CurdBrosBrewingCo says... #21
One very small issue with using Swiftfoot Boots over Lightning Greaves is that after a wave you can't "move it around" tapping all of the dorks that pop up (which is only really a problem if you don't have a Heritage Druid on board)....this is a rare issue; but something I thought I should point out :)
There's every possibility I go back to either Umbral Mantle over Staff of Domination and/or Lightning Greaves over Swiftfoot Boots ; however for now I want to try these out to see which combination of the four is best for the deck. As always, thoughts, suggestions, and comments are appreciated.
March 18, 2014 11:43 p.m.
CurdBrosBrewingCo says... #22
Right now, I'm going with the Umbral Mantle + Swiftfoot Boots combo. This makes it so that once Elvish Archdruid is equipped with Swiftfoot Boots , you never have to "unequip" it (which can happen if you have Lightning Greaves and want to attach an Umbral Mantle ...you have to unequip the Lightning Greaves , equip the Umbral Mantle and then re-equip the Lightning Greaves ...this allows your opponnent to use instant speed removal on your Elvish Archdruid )
I'll see how many games the 1-mana becomes an issue (especially those where you want to "move around" the Lightning Greaves after a Genesis Wave ) however at this point I think this will not be as important as making sure there is no "weak spot" where Elvish Archdruid can be removed after you hit the combo....we'll see! It will take dozens and dozens of games before I know with any certainty.
March 19, 2014 1:59 a.m.
CurdBrosBrewingCo says... #23
Sideboard Updated...see comments in Updates section.
March 19, 2014 2:30 a.m.
TristanTaylorsVoice says... #24
I didn't have time to read all the comments to see if someone posted this or not, but as a Living End player myself I would like to note that Ground Seal doesn't actually anything against Living End , as we don't target anything in our graveyard. Chalice of the Void for 0 is super effective but with the high number of 1 and 2 drops in your deck it might hurt its ultility against other decks, so generic hate like Relic of Progenitus could work instead, even though it's not the best card against Living End
March 20, 2014 2:54 p.m.
CurdBrosBrewingCo says... #25
Thanks TristanTaylorsVoice! I actually need to test more against Living End to see how bad the match-up is. Ground Seal was more for Snapcaster Mage , Tarmogoyf , Scavenging Ooze , Goryo's decks, Unburial rights decks, etc. living End is seeing more popularity though; so I need to make sure this is a match-up I can win. Thanks so much for your help! Is your list on here? I'll check your account; as I'd love to rest against your list (given your proficiency and understanding of the deck).
CurdBrosBrewingCo says... #1
DeepShadow....I miss Gilt-Leaf Archdruid so much, but I was in the same boat...I wish he was a 3/5, a 4/4, or even a 3/4....3/3 at 5-CMC just really hurt (as it put him in Lightning Bolt range). His win-con is fun and creative...but ended up being a little too cute I think.
I am excited to have access to white! Ghostly Prison is a powerful modern card and I think it helps in some of my tougher match-ups...I'm doing a lot of SB work today; so we'll see where it ends up...Dreno33 made a great point that Path to Exile would be fantastic...so that may take up quite a bit of space. That Elephant Grass is unreal! I wish Modern got access to some of those crazy cards :)
I've actually quite liked the Umbral Mantle in my build. I can imagine that it is not viable for Legacy, however.....the formats do make quite a difference. The use of Umbral Mantle did cause some shifts (as did the addition of Horizon Canopy ). These changes:
The biggest one was the addition of Horizon Canopy ....it's so powerful in this deck (as you can cycle it the second you have more mana than you need, you have access to white, and Abundant Growth can shut off it's downside which was already in the deck)....I knew I wanted to keep it (and may even end up running four of them).
This meant that I would have even less Forest s than I did before. Even before the change I had instants where I had an Arbor Elf and/or a Utopia Sprawl and either one or no Forest s. I had to make a choice. So I decided I would at least TRY the switch to Elvish Mystic and Llanowar Elves for a testing period. It turned out that:
(A). The deck simply played more "smoothly" (Turn one and two were much more consistent. and,
(B) The Elvish Archdruid + Umbral Mantle combo happed with much greater frequency than I had anticipated.
This is all my opinion/preference though. The deck could just as easily run four Arbor Elf and three Utopia Sprawl and turn the Horizon Canopy 's (as well as one or two Cavern of Souls ) back into Forest s. You could also remove the Umbral Mantle and add in another Ezuri, Cratherhoof, Abundant Growth/Utopia Sprawl, Garruk....literally anything you felt would smooth out the transition to a win-con.
Arbor Elf and Utopia Sprawl together are SUPER powerful. I wouldn't take them out of my other, non-elf mono-green devotion build for anything! The ramp more quickly than anything I've sen in the past. It was just that in this deck, as of right now, this seems to be the build that has tested the best. I will continue to test as many different builds as a I can to ensure I'm not making fatal mistakes though...
Right now I just have to clean up that board and decide whether I want the fourth Horizon Canopy :) So many choices....so many options!!!!
I hope I covered everything....Thanks for your comments DeepShadow....Legacy Druids has become insanely good btw!
March 9, 2014 4:26 p.m.