CurdBrosBrewingCo says... #2
mateobadajoz2...I actually would love to see a Doubling Chant resolve in the deck! It would be quite effective. I'm not sure it fits in my current built; but there is definitely a build for it similar to this.
You are absolutely right about cards like Coat of Arms ....effects like that can win a game all on their own....I will continue looking into this and test with removing something (maybe swiftfoot boots, etc.) for two Coat of Arms ....
I really like Khalni Hydra in this build....He's traditionally good as at least a one-of in Elf Decks because he can come down so quickly; but in this deck he is even better because of the devotion aspect....I may bump him up to two copies....the problem is that he doesn't have haste (like Craterhoof Behemoth which is a pretty big deal....he does come out SUPER early for an 8/8 though; so that may not be as big of an issue as I make it out to be (sometimes I get too caught up on instant-speed wins in Modern) :)
Thanks for the suggestions!
April 9, 2014 8:55 p.m.
Still can't believe we both uploaded our elf decks on the same day. They've both come so far! I love the direction you took this one with the recent updates.
April 9, 2014 11:32 p.m.
CurdBrosBrewingCo says... #4
v4v3....I know! It feels like forever ago! I love Elf decks; so seeing yours (with all the infinite combos) is quite a treat :)
Thanks for the kind words! It is such a job to keep testing and trying to get the deck right....I'm glad that someone with your knowledge and experience feels I'm headed in the right direction.
April 10, 2014 1:35 a.m.
I know what you mean. I love seeing the different directions a deck can take, even when 70% of the cards are the same. This one changed a lot since I last looked, though.
Playtesting is the worst, unless you're actually -playing- the game. I don't have that luxury too often. My group doesn't like fast decks, haha.
You two always come up with some crazy shit. I wouldn't be surprised if you two find a breakthrough deck eventually; something to shake the modern meta up a bit. :) Have you taken these to any tourneys?
April 10, 2014 7:53 p.m.
CurdBrosBrewingCo says... #6
v4v3....I haven't brought this to any major tourneys....to be honest, Modern is very sparse in our neck of the woods...everyone plays either Standard or EDH here and Modern tends to be us and a few other guys...
I just got an MTGO account, however, and am going to start playing in Dailies with it (and our other decks). That's honestly the easiest way to get a deck firmly into the "meta" I think....decks that win dailies start to get picked up here and there; then they end up in a "televised" (web) tourney and that's kinda how the newer decks have become larger portions of the meta for people in our position (i.e. not pro's, don't travel a lot because own a company and work 7 days a week, etc.). Hell, if a deck we came up with ended up making up 1% of the meta I'd be ecstatic :)
I appreciate you saying that...we love to brew; and we try to make decks as competitive as possible.
This deck has changed quite a bit. I'm trying to develop the deck so it has a viable combo that has to be respected while at the same time being capable of going agro...the agro side is still a little weak though....of course, you can't have it all :)
April 11, 2014 3:38 a.m.
CurdBrosBrewingCo says... #7
Khalni Hydra
has been a great card in the deck (quite versatile here in the fact that it both is quick to cast and increases devotion substantially). I have upped it to a 2-count by removing one Llanowar Elves
(now there is a total of 5 one-drop mana dorks (with the Mystic's and the Llanowar Elves
. I think this will be ok. It's very desirable to have one on turn one; however the mana dorks are a poor late-game draw.
Beyond this, the deck is pretty much "stable" where I want it. I still must work on the sideboard to ensure the worst match-ups are winnable. I'll let everyone know the toughest match-up and deck-styles that are truly poor match-ups to see if anyone knows of any great sideboard cards for such match ups. The sideboard is pretty good as is; but there's always room for improvement :)
April 11, 2014 4:53 a.m.
+1 from me man.. great deck.. I only have one suggestion, since this kind of elves deck tend to run out of cards to drop pretty quickly (if you dont have any Genesis Wave ).. take a look at Slate of Ancestry .. i use it in my elves deck, and its great... yeah, its a 4 drop.. but you can use it as it hits the field, it really refills your hand and the discard wont matter, because, with infinite mana, you play everything in your hand before you tap this thing.. and a 4 drop its not that bad, you probably still have cards in your hand by turn 4 anyway...I also like Asceticism , Viridian Joiner and Joraga Warcaller ... I would remove Garruk Wildspeaker , Coiling Oracle and Elvish Visionary ... but thats just me...
April 11, 2014 9:49 a.m.
CurdBrosBrewingCo says... #9
Thanks Queima! I GREATLY appreciate +1's!
Slate of Ancestry is a really cool card that I will be trying out ASAP. I have been working my butt off trying to get Viridian Joiner in here as well (As the Umbral Mantle combo is so good....). Joraga Warcaller was a little clunky in testing and I think he truly shines in decks we he can be buffed while on the board (so you don't have to keep him in your hand) with cards like Immaculate Magistrate ). I can't get rid of Coiling Oracle or Elvish Visionary unfortunately....they represent card draw, devotion count, and elf count (for Elvish Archdruid ); so in this build they are a little more powerful than they are traditionally....I have dropped Garruk Wildspeaker down to two; but he is a pretty good card in here (as he is a win con 10% of the time and is really great with Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx ...
Thanks for the great suggestions! I will certainly be testing Slate of Ancestry immediately :)
April 12, 2014 11:12 p.m.
CurdBrosBrewingCo says... #10
Khalni Hydra has been a REALLY big improvement to this deck...I may even switch out the Craterhoof Behemoth for a third one...the fact that you can cast it on turn three and it makes your Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx 8-mana stronger can change games significantly. I will continue to test; however....there are four cards I'm currently "questioning" and the sideboard still isn't perfect (as I feel like I have a few cards that tech against match-ups that are already in this deck's favor). That being said, this deck is in a GREAT spot right now; and it is minor tweeks from here on out.
April 13, 2014 10:16 p.m.
Idk if anyone else has said this yet but I think you should play more blue producing lands and play Beck / Call . The card is insane. Elves would be one of the best decks in Modern if Glimpse of Nature was legal so I don't see any harm in playing a Glimpse-like effect for one more blue mana. It would make comboing off a lot more consistent and even if you don't combo off it could still be like a 2-mana Divination or Harmonize or better.
April 13, 2014 10:28 p.m.
CurdBrosBrewingCo says... #12
Overfluff....I love the idea! May even be a little better than Masked Admirers ...to be honest...I may even cast the Call side of it if I get in trouble with fliers :)...I will definitely be trying this out right away. Thank you for the great suggestion!
April 14, 2014 3:30 a.m.
:D Also I was under the impression that Nettle Sentinel was banned in Modern but I geuss not. I would highly consider playing that card cause it can help you get aggressive if even when you don't have a combo and if you have a couple Sentinels + Heritage Druid and the beck side of Beck / Call you could basically combo and/or find combo pieces since you'll have an almost unlimited supply of green mana and creatures to untap Sentinel
Maybe that's just me though cause Nettle Sentinel + Heritage Druid makes Legacy elves extremely good and I would love to have a Modern deck that plays similarly to a Legacy deck
April 14, 2014 5:54 p.m.
CurdBrosBrewingCo says... #14
Overfluff...there actually are a lot of very good lists built around the Heritage Druid + Nettle Sentinel and Beck / Call ....when it was spoiled, a lot of people tried to make a list as close to Legacy Elves as possible. My list is slightly different because (a) it has a devotion aspect to it, and (b) In my opinion; there are still too many cards missing that let the Legacy Elves engine work (Quirion Ranger , Wirewood Symbiote , Green Sun's Zenith , Natural Order , etc.)...it just can't be done the same way.
Having said this, the Nettle Sentinel + Heritage Druid is a powerful combination that can be built around. I'm not sure in this deck in particular it can be taken advantage of enough. I have tried it in the past; but I probably didn't give it enough time (I just found Nettle Sentinel to be a card I didn't want to draw)....
I'm trying both Beck / Call and Nettle Sentinel tonight....another card I just thought of and want to try out is Champion of Lambholt ....I have to make sure the triggers work the way I want them to off of a Genesis Wave ; but if so I think it could be another powerful card for the deck. There's so many great cards to look into! That's what I love about Magic!
April 14, 2014 6:42 p.m.
Yeah that's true. The huge one is Green Sun's Zenith , being able to tutor up things like Dryad Arbor and whatever combo pieces you need is pretty important. Maybe Chord of Calling ?
April 14, 2014 7:41 p.m.
CurdBrosBrewingCo says... #16
I love Chord of Calling Overfluff...it's crazy powerful in the right deck. Elf decks seem like the perfect fit.
April 14, 2014 10:07 p.m.
@Jdvanliew The point of this site is not about bragging rights. And on top of that your deck relies heavily on a good opening hand, which means removal completely destroys it.
April 14, 2014 11:32 p.m.
Except for the fact that yours outright flops unless you get the perfect hand. Lets look at what you're trying to achieve:
Turn 1:
Cavern of Souls + Elvish Mystic
Turn 2:
Turn 3:
Thats about optimum for your deck. Maybe you play another archdruid and mystic instead. If we are going on God Hands for both decks you've lost at this point. Your deck is much slower and one or two well placed Lightning Bolt s or even Doom Blade s and your deck resorts to topdecking. Which is about the worst case scenario for an early game beater deck.
Its not about reliance on a good hand, but the ability to bounce back from a bad one. Even the best of decks get a bad draw from time to time. An considering you've designed yours as an early game rush deck and it can't even keep up with the deck which yours is "better than", I would rethink the way you critique other's decks.
April 15, 2014 12:22 a.m.
Jdvanliew I hope you see that they're hating on your deck just because you said it was better than CurdBrosBrewingCo's. Like enpc originally said, the point of this site isn't to brag about decks and to comment on someone else's deck to just say 'Mines better than yours and I made it first' is really immature. Where's the constructive criticsm in that?
April 15, 2014 6:25 p.m.
Jdvanliew, your deck is generic and folds to a single counter-spell in most instances. Can it even win on Turn 4? In addition to that, you think it's "better" - yet you have to jump onto other people's already successful decks and try to convince us of that. If it was any good, people would notice it when you deck-cycle it. I'd go put these comments there, but frankly, it's not worth bumping it to the front of the discussions page like that, nor is it worth belittling someone's creation on their own page - similar to what you did here.
To put it bluntly, you're a cocky little shit with obviously little experience in this game. There's a reason this deck has 100+ votes and 10k+ views and yours doesn't. You're lucky this community is being as nice as it is to you right now.
April 15, 2014 7:08 p.m.
back on topic now - Do you find the Gavony Township to be good? Its great against mass removal but as a once off and at effictivly 5 mana (4 + the land tapping itself) would you just be better off running a second Breeding Pool or something?
April 15, 2014 8:10 p.m.
CurdBrosBrewingCo says... #25
Jdvanliew....I'm not going to get too far into the "my deck is better than yours" discussion. It's silly and doesn't help either of us improve. Your deck is neat though. I like the interactions with Doubling Season
and could see how it could get out of hand quickly once that was down.
Despite this; I still prefer my list in the current meta...but I'm of course a little biased :) That, and I haven't played your deck. Modern is a format where knowing the ins and outs of your deck and every little interaction against each major deck in the meta is more important than anything....so my history with the deck I'm sure plays a role in this as well. I just feel that my list is a little faster and more resilient than yours; which I believe is important in the current meta. That being said, I have no doubt there are match ups where your list would perform better.
That's one of the great things about Magic...we can each believe our deck is "better" and we could possibly both find relative success with each list. While I agree it wasn't the absolute best way to present your deck; I appreciate your linking it so both myself and others could see another take on an elf deck. And I do believe you when you said you didn't see my list prior to the creation of yours. As I said, I haven't played your deck (and I try not to make any "assertive" comments about decks I haven't at least played a few times), but one thing I thought of just looking at the list was that you may benefit from throwing in a Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx or two...they could make your later Genesis Wave 's a little bigger...
enpc...I agree that if I am keeping Beck / Call in the list that I should replace it for another Breeding Pool ...I like Gavony Township quite a bit; but Beck requires more blue; so if it is here to stay (which I will know within the next night or two) I will for sure make that change. I've changed the deck now (so it represents what I am currently testing) and put Gavony Township in the Maybeboard.
mateobadajoz2 says... #1
Ive been thinking about Doubling Chant , do you like it?
anyway i would focus in elf druid types and run a Coat of Arms ... having in board 3 elf druids means +6 / +6 each one
I really like that hydra you added.
April 9, 2014 8:08 a.m.