Put a gun against your head... and shoot yourself... right now...
In all seriousness, +1 for the sheer amount of rage looking at the bloody thing. Give yourself a pat on ze back.
February 7, 2014 7:32 p.m.
CurdBrosBrewingCo says... #3
Haha! Thanks Javak.....I think :)
Seriously though, I do appreciate the +1 and the comments!
I wanted to quickly address a quick interaction I've had a few different games that I wanted to let anyone know that may play the deck. Given the fact that 8 of our 20 lands are "colorless" (although set at "Elf" Cavern of Souls taps for green mana for any and all of our creatures); the Abundant Growth 's have come in quite handy. Make sure to enchant the Boseiju, Who Shelters All and/or early-game Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx 's with the Abundant Growth 's. This will allow you to tap them for green mana (and you can still use their other abilities whenever you chose). And of course you still get to draw a card :)
Thanks again Javak!!
February 7, 2014 11:35 p.m.
CurdBrosBrewingCo says... #4
Removing Nissa Revane took a big hit to devotion (as she instantly added 4 between herself and. Nissa's Chosen . Not entirely sure it was the best decision . REALLY helps the Aggro nature of the deck; but have to test more to be certain its right.
February 8, 2014 4:41 p.m.
I feel you should add just 1 Nissa Revane and not the Chosen. The life gain is essential if your up against aggro. It will give you the freedom to take the hits, keeps your elves, then just gain it back next turn when you drop her.
I know winning with 46 life as opposed to 16 isn't necessary, but modern is a brutal format (Which I know you know) so keep in mind that you run absolutely no control and most decks run a large amount of it.
February 8, 2014 5:47 p.m.
CurdBrosBrewingCo says... #6
You are right Dreno33! Modern is brutal. It's really tough to build a deck that can hold up to. Merfolk, Twin, Pod, Zoo, RDW, Tron, Smallpox, Storm, RWU control, Jund, Rock, Fearies, B /W tokens (now cuz of Bitterblossom
), etc ....and that doesn't include some of the newer stuff we're seeing like R/G Aggro, White devotion control, etc,,,,you either have to be (1) lightning fast or (2) extremely disruptive/controlling. A lot of the decks in our area are combo decks so you can only win by outrunning them or keeping them off their combo.
My brother Gavin likes to disrupt/control the opponent (removing all of their cards and permanents) and chip away at their life over 5-7 turns (see Modern Grixis Rise/Fall) where I like to try to race to a combo :)
Having said this; its tough to build a combo deck that's not a "glass cannon". There HAS to be other lines to winning or you will run into unbeatable match ups. In this case it's simply Aggro-ing out the opponent.
Nissa Revane is an awesome card; and you are right that she's very helpful in Aggro matchups. I've added her both (a) as a 1-of in the deck and (b ) in the sideboard to board in against Aggro decks . Thanks for your continued help Dreno33!
If you wanna see someone who knows what they're talking about, visit Dreno33's page and view both the decks and comments!
February 8, 2014 6:13 p.m.
why are you so kind all the time? lol. I'm a nice guy, don't get me wrong, but I'm not as nice as you. Not nearly as much, hahah
February 8, 2014 8:22 p.m.
also, i know you're reluctant about this, but consider why.
instead of reducing the Masked Admirers down to 3, reduce the Garruk Wildspeaker s down to three for the Elf PW.
WHY?
you run 4 in your other devotion deck because of the mana power early game. But this one has MORE ways of producing lots of mana (your elves)
The WHOLE purpose of the Elf PW is AGAINST aggro decks. So you NEED the card draw from Masked Admirers
February 8, 2014 8:25 p.m.
CurdBrosBrewingCo says... #9
Ha! I try to be nice cuz I look at it like everyone is trying to helps me the deck better. I will certainly test that; because you are right that there is more mana in this one and Garruk is far less vital than he is in. Devotion to Green (Modern) (NEW). I'm trying it now!
February 8, 2014 9:03 p.m.
And for my THIRD post, consider making a elf devotion aggro deck with black instead and run 4 Dark Confidant with more of the Elf PW. ( TOO BAD NO Deathrite Shaman ! hahah )
February 8, 2014 11:23 p.m.
CurdBrosBrewingCo says... #12
Dreno33...So would you just replace the Coiling Oracle with Dark Confidant ?
Obviously wouldn't be tough to change the mana (run 4 Overgrown Tomb
's instead of the Breeding Pool
's). It's one less elf for Elvish Archdruid
but that is no big deal if Dark Confidant
ends up drawing us out more elves anyways.
I know! We Modern players didn't get to enjoy Deathrite Shaman for very long! I don't mind though. In my humble opinion, he was a little to OP for the format. I think it will be a healthier format without him even though I loved playing with the card.
February 9, 2014 1:15 a.m.
alpinefroggy says... #13
uhhhhhhh nice deck I guess. Its good and its reasonably conssistent but I just steamrolled it with most of the formats best decks in testing. It just doesn't have the resiliancy to stand up against decent removal but hilarious decks I still love.
February 9, 2014 1:53 a.m.
PhageTheUnbeatable's suggestion of Craterhoof Behemoth is a great one. It gives you the trample and +x/+x on your elves (and itself) without even needing to mana sink for the Overrun effect on Ezuri, Renegade Leader . It's the combo bomb that Legacy Elves often run as their primary win condition. Having Ezuri, Renegade Leader in the deck still makes a ton of sense. I wouldn't cut him out completely by any means but I would try to wiggle in 2 Craterhoof Behemoth somewhere.
February 9, 2014 2:04 a.m.
CurdBrosBrewingCo says... #15
alpinefroggy...thanks for testing the deck! I'd love to hear about the decks you played and how they worked out. I've yet to be "steamrolled" by a single deck in the format (although I've only played those listed above in my response to Dreno33). If "most of the decks in the format" are that strong against the deck, it looks like there is work to do. I haven't found that to be the case in my testing; but it's far better to get the information from others as well (as this can be more important that one's own results).
Were there cards in particular you believe were particularly rough on the deck? Were there specific scenarios where the resiliency was a problem? Are there cards in the deck you beleive should be removed/replaced? I don't mean to put you on the spot, and I understand if you didn't write any specific examples down and/or can't remember them... I just like to hear specific examples so I can try to improve the deck around them. I've found that It's rare that a deck has enough removal to deal with everything you throw at it and also be able to deal with a wave at the same time. I did have a difficult time with control match-ups until I got the right balance of Cavern of Souls and Boseiju, Who Shelters All . I only ask for specifics because you often get "larger" comments that don't actually help with making a deck better.
Thanks again for testing the deck! I can't wait to hear any specifics you can remember so we can work on what needs changed!
February 9, 2014 2:05 a.m.
alpinefroggy says... #16
I tested UWR Control/midrange - the removal heavy nature of these decks just kills everythign and this deck couldn't get a foothold as it was beaten by a geist
Scapeshift- enough disruption and speed to kill with the scapeshift
tron-the deck put up a fight but pyroclasms and o-stones combined with karns put away the game.
Zoo-just got overrun
pod-just a generally faster game plan and that was plenty enough for these to combo off handily
February 9, 2014 2:40 a.m.
CurdBrosBrewingCo says... #17
alpinefroggy....that is hilarious! We were literally just testing it against control (as this has been the most difficult match-up we've found). An early Geist is a back-breaker. You are right that UWR control is an extremely difficult match up and game one is under 50% for sure. It is one of the decks I am heavily testing against to see what kind of sideboard cards I can utilize to better the odds.
I've found that if I can maintain playing multiple cards per turn and drawing more; that when I get to Nissa Revane often times I gain more life than they can reduce before I get to the Boseiju, Who Shelters All Genesis Wave ....Cavern of Souls are a huge help because it makes certain that my "draw a card" guys get down and draw a card (even if they are bolted or electrolyzed). It is a definite game of card advantage and staying alive until you can combo or aggro them out.
I played against Tron and didn't really find any issues with it. I didn't find Karn to be a huge issue because he can only deal with one card at a time. Wurmcoil Engine wasn't really a big deal either because he could be blocked by one elf at a time. There were many games where I went off before they got to "tron" but those are not really much of learning experiences :) Early Pyroclasm s are tough, you are 100% right on this...and I need to look into ways of dealing with such things. I did lose one game to an early pyroclasm, but had several games where pyroclasm wasn't enough for them. I'll continue to re-test against tron to see if I missed anything.
Zoo - this is one of the most fun match-ups because you do have to sacrifice several of your elves to blocking. Where in other match-ups you may let attacks go through; you have to block aggressively here. I've found that with a good amount of draw and boarding in the other Nissa Revane
I was able to hold them off until I Wave for 4 (which is usually enough to build a board presence and card advantage they can't beat. If I have enough "sacrificial lambs" :) I can usually get to a point where they are out of cards and I'm not.
Pod - This is something I need to test more against. While in my testing it was not a bad match up; this could have more to do with the proficiency of the Pod player than the actual deck :) I haven't played enough match ups with someone extremely proficient at Pod to be certain that I can beat with any consistency despite my testing positively against it. I played the Kiki Pod version a while back for some time; but I wouldn't consider myself a "great" Pod player. This is a deck I will test against tomorrow as well (as it's getting a tad late tonight :)
Scapeshift - With Scapeshift I found that I could be pretty aggressive in an Aggro nature and was fine. I won't go into too much detail because it's either "they got their Scapeshift off before I could kill them or before I got my wave off" or not; and in my case I tended to do one of the other before they could get there. That's kind of how two combo decks sometimes go though :) Whoever gets there first wins! Fortunately in this match-up; I could either (a) Aggro them to death, (b) get a Nissa Revane in play and gain enough life that they didn't have enough mountains to do enough damage, or (c) get my "wave" combo off.
There is ABSOLUTE certainty that I have to perfect the sideboard and even possibly make changes to the mainboard to be more competitive against UWR Control, Zoo, and some Pod variants. UWR control the most (as it is a terrible match up). Beast Within has been stellar, but I think there is definite room to improve. I like sideboards to be built after extensive testing so that I can side for only those match-ups that are extremely weak (the whole "turn your weaknesses to strengths mumbo jumbo :)
I can't thank you enough alpinefroggy for taking the time both to test the deck and to let me know where you think it could use improvement. It is a HUGE help that nothing else can make up for (as testing and the time taken is far and away the best way to learn about a deck). I'll keep testing as well and let you know where I think I've found some areas of improvement; but please feel free to let me know of any cards you think may make the deck more competitive.
Thanks again!
February 9, 2014 3:31 a.m.
CurdBrosBrewingCo says... #18
Hey Midwest!!! How's my favorite fellow green mage? :)
I will continue to test some Craterhoof Behemoth s. I do need places to put all the mana; and if I can get a few in that would be a big help. They are amazing in Legacy Elves. It's the only legacy deck I play (surprise :).
This deck isn't quite to the level of Devotion to Green (Modern) (NEW) or The Green Book yet ; but I was dying to make both an Elf Devotion deck as well as a Genesis Wave devotion deck (and they just kinda happened to work together). I honestly think it can get there though (and it seems really close). I need to test A LOT more though to see where the best interactions are and where things can be cut/changed. How's The Green Book coming along? Have you got into any new green builds?
February 9, 2014 3:42 a.m.
Really cool deck +1 ;) you can take a look at my Botulotoxin (FNM 1st) if you want
February 9, 2014 5:40 a.m.
DenzelPretzel says... #20
This deck seems really thought out! +1 I'd like to build this when I have the time lol. (if you're okay with that)
This even seems better than the old Heritage Druid + 3 Nettle Sentinel + Beck which is already solid.
February 9, 2014 8:11 a.m.
I'm doing alright. I've not played much Legacy myself. I've been wanting to try out Legacy Elves and see what I think of it. At the moment I've betrayed myself and like Legacy Merfolk the most. But that's mainly because True-Name Nemesis is super cool to me. The fact that they have a protection from a player card is cool.
I'm currently working on a Prossh, Skyraider of Kher EDH deck. Which at the moment is 50% green and roughly 25% the other two colors lol. But my EDH group is pretty casual and I got carried away building my first ever combo deck and started putting too many broken combos in it at once. So, I'm working on tweaking it to where I can make it strong and make it able to win, but I want it to allow interaction and counterplay as well. It's about creating a fun and welcoming play environment for everyone.
A side idea for Elves is actually Merfolk inspired -- run Elvish Champion alongside Nylea's Presence . It becomes your equivalent of Lord of Atlantis and Spreading Seas . I'm not convinced that idea would be best in this deck specifically but food for thought.
February 9, 2014 10:02 a.m.
CurdBrosBrewingCo says... #22
Merfolk is crazy good...True-Name Nemesis is the craziest creature they've ever printed...and in BLUE! I thought green was the color of creatures :) I'm just glad it's not modern legal!
The Elvish Champion / Nylea's Presence idea is a great one. We built a modern Zoo deck (with the unbanning of Wild Nacatl) that uses Nylea's Presence , Prismatic Omen and Lush Growth to help beef up Loam Lion , Kird Ape , Wild Nacatl , Tribal Flames , and Might of Alara while keeping a mana base very green (and not doing yourself 10+ damage playing a ton of different shocks/fetches). The idea behind and Elvish Champion deck with Nylea's Presence , Lush Growth (which can effectively act as a 1-drop Spreading Seas and/or Prismatic Omen (although the other two are probably better in your idea) could absolutely work! That would be a cool deck to see.
February 9, 2014 2:50 p.m.
CurdBrosBrewingCo says... #23
prihodaj....spectacular deck. It's rare a deck can be both reasonably priced and highly competitive; and you've done it. They only let me +1 it once :) If anyone wants to see a good budget infect deck (and not built as a "cheaper but less effective" deck but one that is just as effective...) see Botulotoxin (FNM 1st).
February 9, 2014 3:40 p.m.
CurdBrosBrewingCo says... #24
DenzelPretzel....first off, awesome name!
And of course you can build the deck! I'd prefer it if you did! All the decks we create are meant to be "community decks" that we want anyone and everyone to both play and improve upon. We feel that TappedOut can be huge in helping players find and play decks that meet their play-style and preferences. Also, there are so many great minds on here; often times you'll get a suggestion for a card you never thought of (or may never have even seen!)
So by all means, build and play away :)
I have always loved the Elf deck (the one you mentioned with Heritage Druid , Nettle Sentinel , Glimpse of Nature before banning then switched to Beck ). It is a great deck. I hope I can get this one there; and I really appreciate the kind words and support. And of course, thank you for the +1 !
February 9, 2014 3:50 p.m.
It was put together pretty hastily and I haven't had much time to work on it yet but here's Mer-Elves. The Merfolk/Elves idea I mentioned.
CurdBrosBrewingCo says... #1
Chris62295....Phyrexian Metamorph is a great idea! I definitely have to try that out. Even as just a one of; it really can add to the deck. Thank you for the great idea!
February 7, 2014 6:01 p.m.