Esper Absolute Control FNM (Old Standard)

Standard* Izzet

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Izzet says... #1

Yes, I have considered Ghost Quarter but I really don't like the idea of missing my land drop to give my opponent free land - and that's only if they're running one of those two cards. Otherwise it might stop me mana fixing properly.

However, it's been suggested several times so I'm going to give it a try in the mainboard for one FNM then if it's decent at times, it can go in the sideboard or stay in main. If not, I'll remove it.

June 2, 2013 9:08 p.m.

@Izzet: I was hoping you maybe take a look at my Grixis deck if you get a chance. I could really use some help with feeling it out. http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/grixis-hates-you/

June 2, 2013 9:15 p.m.

Izzet says... #3

Sure, will do.

June 2, 2013 9:29 p.m.

Thank you! :)

June 2, 2013 9:43 p.m.
June 4, 2013 8:29 p.m.

Izzet says... #6

Because it costs 8 mana and is a completely uncompetitive card. And it's completely unrelated to this deck.

June 4, 2013 10:05 p.m.

I suppose you could look at it that way. but the card is most certainly a win con if it hits the board. And since you intend to slow the opponent to a crawl, I see no reason why the game would not reach turn ten or twelve, at which point Nicol Bolas, Planeswalker is perfectly applicable and reasonable and almost guarantees a win. You could even include Crypt Ghast and add in Rakdos's Return which combos beautifully with Crypt Ghast , who would also makes the casting of Nicol Bolas much easier. But I'm just throwing out ideas, your deck seems fine as it is, but I wouldn't say the Bolas is unrelated, in fact, it's quite related and applicable. Good luck!

June 4, 2013 10:18 p.m.

Izzet says... #8

But in running it, I take out a removal spell or something that would help me slow my opponents down and that could mean me losing the game. Plus it would just sit in my hand till turn 8 and do nothing and Standard right now is full of fast aggro decks.. I need to always be able to rely on the cards I have.

I have Rakdos's Return in sideboard right now for control matchups and it does well there but I can't always cast it for enough to make it worth mainboarding (especially against Naya Blitz)

Crypt Ghast wouldn't really work here either as it would lower my instant and sorcery count (which could mean Delver of Secrets  Flip not flipping), it can't be flashed in and I don't have much to ramp into. It's nice in the very late game but I need to focus on my early game to make sure the fast decks don't destroy me.

I can understand where your suggestions are coming from and thanks for the input though.

June 4, 2013 10:31 p.m.

akroma21 says... #9

In my opinion i feel that delver could be replaced because i feel its more of a aggro card in some cases. I see in the past comments that your worried about your instant and sorcery cards and losing their places which means you have kinda built the deck around delver, which isn't bad but i feel like his place can be taken by something else that is more helpful in a control based deck like this one you have here. There are definitely some planeswalkers that you could use in here such as new jace, tamiyo, ral zarek, and from one of the previous comments nicol bolas. Possibly Chandra as well (praying that its a new version of her). Also a thought for a sideboard card is slaughter games. Just some advice hope this helps in some way.

June 6, 2013 8:03 p.m.

Izzet says... #10

Hmm... I have thought for a while that Delver may not be the best card for this deck and having had a chance to really play with Ral Zarek recently, I think I'll give him a try at tomorrow's FNM.

I can also see Slaughter Games being very nice to take out problem cards like Sphinx's Revelation so I'll give that a try as well.

I'm also going to try Dimir Charm to see if that works out.

Thanks for the suggestions.

June 7, 2013 1:15 a.m.

10vernothin says... #11

I run 2 staff of nin and 1/2 aetherling in my grixis control deck. Staff of nin is so very powerful once you stabilize with the lack of artifact hate in standard, and aetherling is basically so you don't need another 14 or so turns to drown them out. The only problem with these two is that you'd have to tap out for it, and that's always dangerous in grixis, where there are barely any boardwipes and no azorius charm.

June 7, 2013 2:52 a.m.

Izzet says... #12

Yeah unfortunately I can't risk weakening my early game to add very expensive spells. Aggro decks run standard right now and my early game has to be really good to compete so I can't have things that sit in my hand and don't do anything till turn 6. If standard slows down in M14, I'll certainly add AEtherling .

With this deck, I don't really aim to win quickly so I don't mind sitting there and drowning them over a few turns.

June 7, 2013 2:59 a.m.

Possibly a Slaughter Games or Reap Intellect in the sideboard.

June 9, 2013 8:08 p.m.

Izzet says... #14

I find Reap Intellect much too expensive but I do like Slaughter Games in the sideboard. I just don't know what I'd remove for it.

June 9, 2013 8:14 p.m.

bstrider says... #15

This deck is beautiful. I like Notion Thief in the sideboard. Him + Skullcrack against Sphinx's Revelation is amazing. I'd like to have this deck, but the walkers are too expensive for my budget right now.

June 20, 2013 7:22 p.m.

Izzet says... #16

Neither Lily or Zarek are particularly necessary in here. They do come in useful but if you have everything else (lands especially), it's worth giving it a shot without them.

June 22, 2013 10:48 a.m.

bstrider says... #17

I think I might. Maybe an extra Dreadbore , Searing Spear , Augur of Bolas , and Drowned Catacomb in their place?

June 22, 2013 3:43 p.m.

Izzet says... #18

That sounds fine or you could try mainboarding Tragic Slip . I'm considering doing that because it deals with so many things - Snapcaster Mage , Experiment One , Champion of the Parish , Arbor Elf , Avacyn's Pilgrim etc.

June 24, 2013 11:08 p.m.

vincentgalbo says... #19

Played a deck similar to this at my local shop. He played Consuming Aberration rather than Vampire Nighthawk , which helped mill through my deck. He also had Devour Flesh , Dreadbore and Breaking / Entering . Both which slowed my deck down and helped mill me away. You should consider those cards.

July 18, 2013 4:46 p.m.

Izzet says... #20

This deck is not a dedicated mill deck. I have lots of stuff that helps mill but the control aspect and beatdown with Nighthawk is too important to sacrifice cards for.

I have enough sacrifice effects that I don't need Devour Flesh , I recently replaced Doom Blade with Dreadbore which I think is more useful and I don't have space for Breaking / Entering . Consuming Aberration is too slow and vulnerable to removal for me.

July 18, 2013 5:09 p.m.

Izzet says... #21

I mean I replaced Dreadbore with Doom Blade .

July 18, 2013 5:19 p.m.

vincentgalbo says... #22

How is Consuming Aberration more vulnerable than Vampire Nighthawk ?

In addition, Augur of Bolas could be a nice chump for you against agro and help get you the cards you need.

July 18, 2013 6:47 p.m.

Izzet says... #23

I had Augur of Bolas in up till recently as well but it's sorcery speed and I don't have enough spaces to include it.

Vampire Nighthawk costs 2 less. That's a huge difference. Plus it gains life while Aberration doesn't. Aberration might be big but it has no evasion and can just be chump blocked every turn. I don't mill until I'm ready to win and Aberration just doesn't do enough for the mana cost.

July 19, 2013 12:51 a.m.

Izzet says... #24

I don't want my deck to be a mill deck. It's first and foremost a control deck. Milling is just one of the ways it can win. I'm not going to sacrifice control for mill and I'm still just as happy winning with Vampire Nighthawk or Liliana of the Veil .

July 19, 2013 1 a.m.

samsage says... #25

If its been working out for you then dont mind me, but often control decks like this want a lot of land like 25 or even 26. Since your only ways to really win require 5 mana (Jace), 7 Mana (AEtherling) or 3 mana every turn (Drownyard), it will really suck if you get stuck on mana, or even if you do cast these but then cant keep up on removal spells

August 13, 2013 2:49 a.m.

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