I'd probably drop out Mistcutter Hydra for Gaea's Revenge. Your probably going to be able to make a bigger impact with gaea than mistcutter ever could.
November 13, 2015 8:46 a.m.
And Wurmcoil Engine would probably be a better fit than Hornet Queen
November 13, 2015 8:49 a.m.
doctorsmegma says... #4
@nescio I saw that after I commented bahaha. I will say, though, I wouldn't discredit Apostle's Blessing for Vines of Vastwood. Apostle's Blessing offers a lot that Vines can't... like a cheap blocker in affinity/burn and an unblockable Craterhoof Behemoth against affinity if they have a bunch of tokens on the field. Affinity is too popular to not have Apostle's Blessing.. not to mention it is dumb cheap now compared to last year. So is Dismember. This deck is really coming together, though. I'm seriously considering building a physical copycat lol. TCGplayer shopping cart is already filling..
November 13, 2015 9:27 a.m.
Hewhowishes says... #5
since yours is modern. consider trading out overgrowth for cultivate. same mana req. but takes two mana cards out of your library. 1 in your hand, 1 directly to the field. this also gives you more a chance to draw better cards with in your library because you drew the mana cards out. also maybe even rampant growth over utopia sprawl because the mana goes directly to the field for only one more green mana cost.
November 13, 2015 9:56 a.m.
I'd also recommend cutting a Craterhoof Behemoth (Because one is totally enough, especially with Tooth and Nail + all the other threats.) and perhaps one other (Maybe Khalni Hydra) for a couple Chord of Calling because it'll help you get a board state specific fattie on the field ASAP.
Or just YOLO and drop huge a Genesis Wave with ETB fatties like Primeval Titan and Rampaging Baloths to plug the board full. (Bonus Akroma's Memorial on a Genesis Wave = GG)
November 13, 2015 12:20 p.m.
Awesomenator33 says... #7
You could easily splash with Stomping Ground while still being able to be targeted by Utopia Sprawl, Arbor Elf and Nissa, Worldwaker
November 13, 2015 1:42 p.m.
After sleeping over it (well, okay, I didn't have it on my mind at all until now, but hey :D ), and reading other people's comments, Mistcutter Hydra probably isn't as good as I originally thought - especially compared with Gaeas Revenge or Craterhoof Behemoth (while I personally prefer the latter).
As for Apostle's Blessing - it's not a bad card or suggestion, but I'd see it more as an evasion than a defensive strategy, and a deck with as much Trample and numbers as this one doesn't need a single unblockable creature (that your opponent will be aware of before blocking!) in my opinion. Vines will give you more versatility for just slightly higher cost (argueably, you'd rather pay an extra versus Affinity than 2 life anyway). Of course, Blessing (as Avoid Fate) is immune to Spellskite, so maybe that's something to consider.
I'd like to throw Overwhelming Stampede and Vigor in the mix, just to name them. I'm not sure if the former is better than Craterhoof (it's certainly cheaper, but a one-shot effect), or if the latter will help you at all (you certainly don't need the power or your creatures survivng as long as you can overrun your opponent, it's just a generally utilizeable card that you might think has a spot somewhere). Finally, Champion of Lambholt is kind of awesome along with Wolfbriar Elemental, but I'm not sure what to take out for it pre-board.
Wurmcoil Engine over Hornet Queen would normally make a lot of sense, except the synergies in this deck clearly prefer a ton of fliers rather than a single slow life gainer, I'd say.
November 13, 2015 2:25 p.m.
Hangarback Walker could be a good option for fliers than.
November 13, 2015 2:47 p.m.
Hewhowishes I believe the point of having what he has is to count towards his devotion for the hydra and nykthos
November 14, 2015 1:47 a.m.
Phew, lots of suggestions, thanks everyone!
@Awesomenator33 although I didn't think of that, I'm really not sure if Xenagos would be better if I splashed red... Opinions?
Caligula as has been said, Wurmcoil Engine would normally be very strong but in this deck I'm pretty sure I'd rather have the Hornet Queen. I do agree on taking out the Mistcutter. I don't think Chord of Calling would be any good, as I would hardly ever convoke (except for maybe when there's tons of tokens on the board and then still I'm not sure if it's worth it), and then for 9+ mana it will grab a creature. I'd say Tooth and Nail is way better.
I did have Genesis Waves in the deck at one point, considering putting them back in. Maybeboarded. As for the Primeval Titans and Rampaging Baloths, these are only good if both of them are on the board. Because of this, I don't really want to take anything out for them. They don't really do anything special for the deck by themselves. I'm considering putting in 1 Akroma's Memorial, maybeboarded.
I don't like Hangarback Walker as it needs to die before I get the tokens, I still think Hornet Queen is better for the deck.
@BlueScope Vigor seems alright, but its only _real _purpose would be saving the untappers from burn and blocking and such. Again, I wouldn't know what to take out for it. Overwhelming Stampede only works when there's a fattie on the board, while Craterhoof Behemoth also works with just untappers and small creatures. I'm not sure about this one. Maybeboarded.
Finally, Champion of Lambholt is indeed very nice with all the token creators, but I don't think it's nice enough to take something out of the board for.
This is gonna require a lot of playtesting!
November 14, 2015 2:49 a.m.
I also have a basic Ramp deck known as Sci-Fi Saturday and I have to say a couple of my favorite cards are Primordial Hydra and Elderscale Wurm.
Also I really enjoy the layout of the page. What do I have to do to be able to edit the layout of my Decks pages, upgrade my account I assume? (I know how to code, thats not a big deal)
November 17, 2015 8:46 p.m.
@Lunyka You can simply place HTML code in the deck description. You could link to a stylesheet containing the css for the page
November 19, 2015 5:52 p.m.
Hey, I have a very similar deck and I don't know if you still use this or not but what would you suggest as sideboard cards if you kept going up against Jeskai Nahiri and other control or control lite decks?
July 9, 2016 1:38 a.m.
CommanderNeyo says... #19
+1 for the flying Emrakul across the screen.
Also, I love Utopia Sprawl + Arbor Elf
January 5, 2017 12:17 a.m.
Love the deck! However Joraga Treespeaker seems like a fine card but is it really good enough? I don't see what it offers to the deck really besides a little bit of clunky ramp. I haven't played it so I might be totally wrong.
March 15, 2017 1:12 p.m.
AaronEchoes says... #21
im thinking of adding Cradle to this deck when i build it
April 5, 2017 3:13 p.m.
Agent_Curley says... #22
NesciO have you considered adding something like Growing Rites of Itlimoc Flip in order to have a legal version of Gaea's Cradle in Modern?
January 24, 2018 10:22 p.m.
strikingLoo says... #23
Hi there! I love this deck, loved it so much I ended up building one based on it (actually based on the budget alternative you posted later).
I was running a few simulations based on the deck and thought the results could be of interest to you. These are based on the budget deck, not exactly this one, but all the relevant cards don't change counts except for this I'm assuming 18 forests, but this deck has non-basic lands as well.
Based on your comment
This means you need 2+ Forests, an Arbor Elf, an Utopia Sprawl and an Overgrowth. Missing either a Sprawl or an Overgrowth is okay, as long as you have one of them. Missing a Forest is okay if you have the Arbor and a Sprawl, but it slows the deck down (you have 2 mana to spend turn 2 after playing Sprawl, instead of 4). Having a Voyaging Satyr instead of the Arbor is alright but again, it slows the deck down.
I wrote conditions for a 'great' hand and an 'okay' hand.
Great hand
hand.count(FOREST) >= 2 and hand.count(ARBOR_ELF) >= 1 and hand.count(SPRAWL) >= 1 and hand.count(OVERGROWTH) >= 1
Okay hand
enough_forests = ((hand.count(FOREST) >= 2) or ( hand.count(FOREST) >= 1 and hand.count(SPRAWL) >= 1 and hand.count(ARBOR_ELF) >= 1))
OKAY = (enough_forests and (hand.count(ARBOR_ELF) >= 1 or hand.count(SATYR) >= 1) and (hand.count(SPRAWL) >= 1 or hand.count(OVERGROWTH) >= 1))
With those conditions (which if you're still active around here, feel free to suggest any changes to), these are the odds of okay or great hands I calculated, by simulating 100k hands from the deck, with or without mulligan, + optionally after drawing one card.
No mulligan:
Great: 2026 (2.026%)
Okay: 26202 (26.202%)
1 Mulligan:
Great: 2588 (2.588%)
Okay: 39191 (39.191%)
No Mulligan + draw:
Great: 3831 (3.831%)
Okay: 33954 (33.954%)
1 Mulligan + draw:
Great: 3361 (3.361%)
Okay: 44909 (44.909%)
2 mulligan:
Great: 2703 (2.703%)
Okay: 45070 (45.07%)
All in all, almost half of the hands are at least OK if doing one mulligan if not okay initially, and it is really worth it after one draw.
NesciO says... #1
@doctorsmegma Avoid Fate and Gaea's are already in the sideboard. Kalonian was probably removed as you were typing that comment :P
Hornet Queen and Nissa are described in the 'Sideboard' section as cards that should be sideboarded when needed, and I think having them in the mainboard is very beneficial for the deck itself (think of our Khalni's and Hoofies!). If you don't need it but need something else, SB it.
Dismember is alright, but I don't want to take anything out of the SB for it (I think Beast Within is way better). Same for Fog and Apostle's Blessing. Besides, Vines of Vastwood basically does the same thing as Blessing, except that Blessing also works for combat damage where it will hardly ever be needed.
I dont like Feed the Clan in general, I wouldn't want to take anything out of the board for that.
I do like Wild Defiance, big lifesaver for the untappers in a Burn matchup. Maybeboarded.
November 13, 2015 8:20 a.m.