Modern Allies - Primer (Updated for BfZ!)

Modern JLenzen

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Johanson69 says... #1

Compiled a couple of support cards, without examination on their usefulness, simply listed what is somewhat synergistic. In the description is a link to a list which is sorted by similar effects.

September 14, 2015 4:44 p.m.

MadKat says... #2

Johanson69, check out my maybe board on the All-in-Allies, I think you may want to consider adding some of them to the Modern Ally Support Cards.

September 14, 2015 4:49 p.m.

realmlord says... #3

Hi folks, I am super happy to see this primer up for people to learn more about Allies in Modern.

Just for those that may be curious, I finished GP OKC at 8-5 with Naya Allies. After the Feature Match loss, I was a little rattled and couldn't get the groove back.

I will continue to play and develop the deck going forward. (To fight robots and other artifacts, I am going back to TukTuk Scrapper in the board instead of Reclamation Sage.) Lantern Scout will replace Talus Paladin. Other than that, I look forward to future discussion.

September 14, 2015 6:17 p.m.

Brionac says... #4

realmlord You are the awesome guy that finally brought some recognition to Allys? Love your build!

You don't like the CoCo-ness that Sage provides?

September 15, 2015 1:14 a.m.

realmlord says... #5

Brionac Although Sage is in CoCo range, the damage that Scrapper provides is more relevant along with the Ally trigger. Scrapper also turns every Freeblade, Battlesinger, and Evangel that come later into more Shatters and burn.

September 15, 2015 6:32 a.m.

MadKat says... #6

realmlord, ditto what Brionac said. I think I was the first one to brew the allies deck and make it competitive in modern. I posted results in the dailies at the beginning of this year. Particularly, I was the one who paired hardened scales with allies.

I was sad to see you not going the 5 color route, but happy you approved of using the hardened scales. Were you the one who brewed the list you brought to Oklahoma? Whoever it was, I think it's cool to see someone who can put the finishing touches on brews that people like me come up with.

You can check out the current list I have here All-in-Allies.

Maybe here or maybe more relevantly on my decked page we could have a conversation on the pros and cons of your build vs my original build. Man, I was just about to go over to the dark side(lol), and go to three colors, but then I realized that if you mainboard control hate like return to the ranks, spellskite, ephemeral shield, then you're matchup gets a lot better.

I like your innovativeness with +1+1 counter land; you did a good job adding to the mana base to support that. I think it's cool you were willing to stretch the conventional wisdom for COCO at 24 creatures. That was a stumbling block for me until I started seeing more list pushing the number down.

I think the weakness of the 5 color is that it is more a devoted aggro than a tempo aggro. I see people like yourself leaning to more tempo cards, and some of the others too. I think I've answered that weakness with spellskites and paths. Also, I think if your bound to go up against a lot of control, you've got to change the list some.

Anywho, I could go on; thank you for dropping in on us. I'm greatful you came by, it really helps ppl like me who do the initial brewing to get some insight. oh, and btw, I'm definitely interested in brewing for people like yourself who go to the bigger tournaments. I think Travis Woo did something similar with his living end deck. Us brewers need good players like yourself to showcase our brews ;-) .

September 15, 2015 7:01 a.m.

Nef says... #7

I think it was obvious Hardened Scales went with allies xD I put in my deck as soon as I saw it xD

September 15, 2015 7:09 a.m.

MadKat says... #8

I'm sure I wasn't the only person who had the idea; I was the first person to put it to the deck, refine the deck, then put a list out that did well in the very competitive Magic Online daily tournaments. It's cool though we were like minded, as a brewer who isn't supported by any big websites I just have to make sure I'm credited. I'd rather not have to worry about it, but unfortunately things don't work out that way. :-(

September 15, 2015 7:21 a.m.

Nef says... #9

I'm not saying you didn't independently think of the idea, and I know you provided results which is fantastic for ally players. I wasn't trying to take anything away from you..

September 15, 2015 7:36 a.m.

MadKat says... #10

cool cool. I appreciate that. It's hard talking about my brews, cause I don't want to sound conceited, and I'm probably overly concerned with it. It is cool that we think alike. Are you interested in pillowfort decks? I'm thinking about making a pillowfort primer, and using JLenzen as a template. I've had some pillowfort decks do well in the dailies, and there are some new cards I'd like to brew with.

September 15, 2015 7:49 a.m.

Nef says... #11

Pillowfort is one of my favorite archetypes :3

ATTENTION ALL ALLY BREWERS!
I will be creating a new section on my deck called "Other ally decks." If you want a deck posted there, link it on my profile. I will be featuring my deck when BFZ gets fully spoiled.

September 15, 2015 8:09 a.m.

MadKat says... #12

Sweet and sweet! I'm gonna post on your wall and we can talk more...

September 15, 2015 8:14 a.m.

Nef says... #13

Start a message with me if you want xD

September 15, 2015 8:15 a.m.

mightywesley says... #14

I'll probably brew up a list myself and when it's done i will post it here! Picked up 1 playset of hada freeblade so far (awhile ago) and the fullart ones went up a few bucks so i may cash in sometime during BFZ's release

September 15, 2015 9:15 a.m.

Nef says... #15

New flying ally. Kinda expensive and dies to bolt. I wish it had haste

September 15, 2015 12:02 p.m.

Nef says... #16

JLenzen - How do I format decks in the description like you did? I want to format them like that in the new section of my deck.

September 16, 2015 7:57 a.m.

So as someone who runs a GW Hardened Scales deck in standard, I have a different opinion. You don't want or need CoCo. Inspiring Call has done so much more work for my deck and I'll explain why. First it costs one less than CoCo. This might not seem like much but boy does it make a difference. Second it's drawing us cards, usually at least two to five depending on board state. For those of you saying, "yeah but co CoCo puts two creatures on the field", listen here. That's what aether vial is for. Instant speed creature into play from your hand. The down side is that once you're top decking, that hardly matters. Not to mention that sometimes you don't need a creature, sometimes you really could use Gideon, or hardened scales, or path to exile. And last but not least, it gives most of your creatures indestructibility. This protects you from wrath and other kill spells.

September 16, 2015 9:05 a.m.

MadKat says... #18

Maybe run a little of both?

September 16, 2015 9:24 a.m.

Brionac says... #19

Collected Company is used in this deck in more than 1 way:

  1. Get lots of Allies to trigger your existing Allies when already have a good board. You can get that with Inspiring Call too, but only at sorcery speed, since you need to cast the Allies (unless you also have AEther Vial, then it's closer to what CoCo offers, but Vial only offers 1 Trigger at a time).

  2. Combat trick: Opponent attacks, CoCo buffs up Allies for blocks and maybe even gives protection through Kabira Evangel. You can get that with Aether Vial too. It's worth mentioning that hitting Evangel in the top 6 cards is most of the time more likely than having it in your hand for Vial (as most of the time, you won't have many cards in hand).

  3. Recovery: Your Allies got killed off one by one or with a wrath and you have little to no cards in hand? Have a Vial? It's useless. Topdeck an Inspiring Call? It's useless. Topdeck CoCo? It's your lucky day, you get a high probability to re-establish your board with 2 fresh Allies that trigger off of each other. Yes, you could save the Inspiring Call and it's really good against a Wrath, but I've had a lot of games where it was consecutive 1 by 1 killing. You use the Call, you save one Ally and next turn you face another kill spell. Drawing the cards is good, that's why I have Call in the SB, but my point is that it is not good when you don't already have an established board or it got wiped when you didn't have Call.

CoCo 4 mana but it does all these things that you would need different cards for in one card (except making your Allies indestructable, but it helps recovering). That's why I think it definitely has a place in this deck.

September 16, 2015 9:34 a.m.

Brionac says... #20

We got our first 2-drop Ally for BFZ spoiled :DBeastcaller Expert. He has Haste, but unfortunately doesn't grant you other Allies haste. Interestingly, he is practically 1 mana, because you can tap him immediately for 1 mana to play another creature.

September 16, 2015 10:02 a.m.

MadKat says... #21

link?

September 16, 2015 10:19 a.m.

MadKat says... #22

nevermind, i found it

September 16, 2015 10:33 a.m.

Johanson69 says... #23

Drana

So this one is confirmed now. I can very well imagine Drana being played a good bit, maybe as a 2-3 of (Legendary makes it a bit difficult to play a playset). With the Hardened Scales tactic, I can see an Allies deck in Abzan colours, possibly even playing more colours as we get pretty good colorfixing with Ally Encampment and Bestcaller Expert. Looks like we get some decent support for Modern. Looking forward to more Common and Uncommon Allies, as that will likely be where the efficiency lies.

September 16, 2015 11:23 a.m.

Nef says... #24

I'm considering splashing black for that 5 mana sorcery that returns allies and drana. I could also run Bojuka Brigand

September 16, 2015 11:25 a.m.

MadKat says... #25

5 color allies it is! it was good before bfz and is good after.

September 16, 2015 11:26 a.m.

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