Five-color Beatdown and Reanimator
Commander / EDH*
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Cobthecobbler says... #2
I left my reasoning for not including Hermit Druid in here on your deck list but thank you for the love :D
September 15, 2013 11:09 a.m.
WanderingSpirit says... #3
ah cool. I left my counter on the same deck for anyone interested. Nothing wrong with a debate, lol.
September 15, 2013 11:10 a.m.
Cobthecobbler says... #4
Yep, everyone's entitled to their preferences :)
September 15, 2013 11:15 a.m.
Depending on your meta, I would consider Patriarch's Bidding , to mass resurrection dragons from your graveyard. The Mimeoplasm is another guy to consider, though he will most likely exile a dragon (or 2). If you could squeeze in Vindicate and/or Beast Within for added removal against anything that isn't indestructible or hexproof/shroud. Awesome deck. :)
September 25, 2013 12:44 a.m.
Cobthecobbler says... #6
Considered all of those cards, minus Mimeoplasm (He kind of screws with the whole reanimation tactic).
I would have to play around with all of those but great suggestions. Patriarch's Bidding is awesome, but I usually don't dump enough dragons into my graveyard to make that as fun as it can be. Ideally, I combo out as soon as Scion can attack without worry.
As for 'Destroy permanent' effects, I know I lack them, and I'm thinking of just running Black Sun's Zenith , Path to Exile and/or Swords to Plowshares for creature removal. I've already enough spot removal (combined with tutors) so I don't really need to spend the extra mana when I can just use Nature's Claim .
Thank you for the +1 and suggestions, though.
September 25, 2013 12:53 a.m.
Aelorith2117 says... #7
what about Reya Dawnbringer , Karador, Ghost Chieftain , Unburial Rites , and Obzedat's Aid ?
September 25, 2013 12:29 p.m.
Aelorith2117 says... #8
sorry.... didn't see Unburial Rites in there!!
September 25, 2013 12:30 p.m.
Cobthecobbler says... #9
The thing about Reya is if I'm making that kind of mana investment, it's just smarter for me to play Sheoldred, Whispering One . Karador isn't necessarily reanimation, I just get to use my graveyard as another hand for creatures, and he's a lot better as a general.
Unburial rites is already in here, yes.
Obzedat's Aid is a little costly and for that mana, the only thing I really need is Beacon of Unrest for reanimating artifacts. Plus it goes back into my deck, shuffles, and if I draw it again, awesome.
Combined with tutors, I generally can pick and choose what card I need out of my deck at whatever time calls for it, so the need for multiples of the same effect is lessened, and I can make room for more unique cards.
Good Suggestions though, I thank you for them.
September 25, 2013 12:35 p.m.
Ohthenoises says... #10
I see you have Hellkite Charger , Have you considered Sword of Feast and Famine for infinite attack phases?
September 26, 2013 10:23 p.m.
Cobthecobbler says... #11
I have, but I found that Bear Umbra does the job just the same, and for a lot less money lol. But that's a good suggestion, thanks!
September 26, 2013 10:26 p.m.
Ohthenoises says... #12
I like the sword just because it's a little easier to keep around and helps avoid 2:1s that's all.
September 26, 2013 10:27 p.m.
Cobthecobbler says... #13
Yes, it does have that added benefit. If I come into possession of one though, I'll definitely make the switch, as it would definitely add to the effectiveness of the combo.
September 26, 2013 10:30 p.m.
Ressurrectionist says... #14
Silly question, can you send me the HTML code you used when coloring a letter in your user name. I can only seem to do mono color letters but I would like to add a background shade.
October 6, 2013 7:13 p.m.
Flameblast Dragon Nice addition to deal with threats while offering the same threat to player health
Fledgling Dragon suitable substitue for heavier dragons with same ability since your gy is growing constantly
Hoarding Dragon to dig out the lattice without using tutors since most of the time you have to dig for situational cards with your tutors
Hoard-Smelter Dragon sideboard option to deal with crucibles and O-stones
Hypersonic Dragon EXTREME UTILITY
Knollspine Dragon great with Reliquary Tower for pumps
Mordant Dragon this guy is a few of your tools in one
Preyseizer Dragon works nice with Dragon Broodmother in multiplayer scenarios
Rimescale Dragon lol @ your snow covered basics!!!
Spellbound Dragon I really have had A LOT of success using this guy
Thunder Dragon sideboard option to deal with BRAINS!!! or weenies...
Worldgorger Dragon prevents the WoG if you are working on tokens...
Crosis, the Purger nasty!!!
Dromar, the Banisher this guy could be useful for weenies as well...
Hellkite Hatchling I like this dragon because he is cheap and reducing the mana cost for the deck would be more beneficial pre scion gameplay
Keiga, the Tide Star Better alternative to clone imo
Malfegor if you ever have a hand full of dragons... this is plausible haven't tested it yet...
Nicol Bolas both bolas' are brutal btw...
Niv-Mizzet, Dracogenius good draw using scion
Numot, the Devastator strip mine works great but this with the scion is brutal...
Scourge of Valkas and the broodmother
Treva, the Renewer huge middle finger to weenies...
Vorosh, the Hunter threat city
Your deck as is is perfection btw... I have not lost to anything but control... so much fun!!!!
Wouldn't let me put this many suggestions so if you implement anything let me know so I can suggest it to get the rep plz!
October 12, 2013 8:41 p.m.
Cobthecobbler says... #17
Oh wow, thanks for the suggestions.
My responses are in order from top to bottom of the cards you listed above:
I'm not really in the business of giving my opponent another full hand, I'd rather him deal with his no card hand. Even if I'm running low, I'd rather not allow him that 7-card draw, you know?
Flameblast was in here, but I felt he was underperforming, and that I'd rather tutor for a combo than him. One thing that's making it in here is tons more removal. I myself have had a hard time dealing with enemy fliers, so Path to Exile and Swords to Plowshares as well as some others and boardwipes will be coming in.
Hoarding Dragon is really nice but I feel it's not going to do as much as I want it to. Maybe.
Hypersonic is a no, unfortunately. Sorry. I've playtested with him before and he did absolutely nothing for me :/
Knollspine looks like it'd be great if I can pull off a great Banefire in the same turn, but it would require a lot of mana.
Balefire Dragon is better
That actually looks like a pretty good card. If I'm correct, it deals damage to that player and then deals damage to another target?
Heavily Considering that dragon. The reason the Snows are in here is in case I run into someone running Extraplanar Lens and snow-covered basics, I still get the benefit. But, if I can use them for something other than mana, then I can get some extra value out of them... Hmmm
Possibly... I'm not too sure on his value, but it doesn't look bad.
I want to stay clear of as many ETB effects as possible, since they don't synergize with Scion at all. Thunder Dragon was one of the first cards cut when I turned this into a combo deck, and even before that, him and Zodiac Dragon were the only two cards that weren't doing anything for the deck itself.
This card doesn't do anything for tokens, the tokens would fizzle as soon as they touch the exile zone. And, it also doesn't have flash, so I can't respond to a Boardwipe with it. :/ Very meh card, looks like it would hinder me more by taking my lands away from me..
Crosis is a beast against those mono-colored/dual colored EDH decks. He's definitely sideboard material. Maybe mainboard if I had something like Gitaxian Probe to back him up.
Dromar is okay
Cheap creatures is something this deck lacks, but I don't have any early game tokens to support him :/ Or many early game creatures..
Keiga is a possibility, but Phyrexian Metamorph is an artifact, and can copy artifacts too, which helps with Hellkite Tyrant .
Malfegor doesn't seem too beneficial unless, like you said, the majority of my hand were dragons. I would also need a way to refill my hand (in which case Dragon Mage would come in handy, or a well-timed, or tutored Reforge the Soul would come in handy.
Nicol Bolas was in the first cut of this deck. At the time, I had no clue how best to use him though, but being able to be copied by Scion at the last minute to destroy my opponents hand is very useful. Not an optimal reanimation target though. Heavily considering re-adding him.
Scourge has been under consideration for a while, since he also does well with Utvara Hellkite .
Life gain isn't too relevant in EDH, and that's not really big enough for it to be worth it.
Vorosh is great and was in here, but I'm not sure if I should re-add him yet. He came out a while ago and I haven't looked back.
And I thank you for taking all that time to suggest cards, and I'm curious. Are you actually playing this deck or a deck similar to it? Or have you just playtested this against a few other decks? It would be fun to get some outside opinions and some insight on how this deck runs against various archetypes. I haven't had the chance to test this outside of my playgroup, and if anyone else has, I would love to be able to see this through another players eyes.
October 16, 2013 8:34 a.m.
Numot, the Devastator and Nicol Bolas are great disruptor and shut down card. A card I run in my scion to protect scion is Quicksilver Dragon for re-directing Chaos Warp or bounce spells.
October 16, 2013 8:18 p.m.
This deck is awesome, I'm going to put together a similar version of it but with a few things moved around. I will let you know how it works and I'll send you a link to the deck list once it's finalized.
Keep up the good work.
November 20, 2013 12:21 p.m.
Cobthecobbler says... #20
Xinofos, Sorry I never got back to you, I never realized you commented.
Numot is an awesome card, I didn't even know he existed. Nicol Bolas was in here, but that was back when I didn't understand just how good he is. I can't really find room in here for either, so if you have some suggestions on cuts, let me know.
Default404, Thank you, I appreciate that. Definitely let me know how it plays out, I love hearing how my deck plays with a different pilot.
November 20, 2013 10:39 p.m.
So, I took first place last night with this deck. However, I have made some modifications to the deck I'm running. I will post the deck link as soon as I have it posted. It played great!
On turn 9 I had to drop an Armageddon
, but 6 turns later I took out the player on my left with Scion of the Ur-Dragon
+ Moltensteel Dragon
+ Skithiryx, the Blight Dragon
combo.
After that, on my next turn I took out all the remaining players with Scion of the Ur-Dragon
+ Sword of Feast and Famine
+ Hellkite Charger
I do have the Bear Umbra
in the deck as well and it was in my hand, but in this case the swords hit the battlefield first and they had no blockers.
Thanks again for the concept and I will send you the link to my version as soon as I have it posted.
November 26, 2013 1:21 p.m.
Here is the deck I am currently playing: EDH - Scion: Dragons.
I didn't have enough extra cards to replicate the deck to a 100% of what you have but I used what I had available at the time. Also I adjusted it for the metagame for where I am playing, which is why there are some differences.
I'm sure it needs improvement but for now it is playing great.
November 26, 2013 1:37 p.m.
Cobthecobbler says... #23
Awesome, I'm glad to know it worked well for you!
And yep, that sword is going to come in here once I get it, but I am honestly stoked that you got 1st with this deck. This thing has been my baby and boy has he grown up.
I'll definitely check it out :)
November 26, 2013 7:38 p.m.
infinitemana says... #24
Have you thought about Fist of Suns in case you draw into into some your dragons then you could cast them for cheap.
November 27, 2013 3:32 p.m.
Cobthecobbler says... #25
Eh, I tried it out before, it's not very good in practicality :/
WanderingSpirit says... #1
This deck = Epic Nostalgia!!!It looks alot like an older version of my scion deck but plays way better than it ever did.
Try toying about with Hermit Druid and mass recursion?
you won't regret it.
+1 from MD
September 15, 2013 10:38 a.m.