shaderaven says... #2
@TheRedGoat but Teferi, Mage of Zhalfir is more expensive than Leyline of Anticipation, and easier to get rid of. I like the Seedborn Muse idea.
February 5, 2016 12:24 p.m.
shaderaven says... #3
how do you feel about Privileged Position? Sterling Grove?
February 5, 2016 12:33 p.m.
shaderaven says... #5
what do you think about Sheoldred, Whispering One over Reya Dawnbringer?
February 5, 2016 1:30 p.m.
ElendVenture says... #6
TheRedGoat As good as Teferi is, and I do have an extra copy sitting in my binder, He just doesn't fit into either theme of the deck. He is not a god, and he is not an enchantment. I like the leyline better in this situation since enchantments are much more difficult to get rid of than creatures. Plus, the leyline gives all of my spells flash instead of just creatures.
shaderaven I absolutely love the Privileged Position/Sterling Grove lockout, but I don't know how I feel about it in this deck. What would I cut that isn't already serving an essential purpose in this deck? As for Sigarda, she would indeed negate one of this deck's biggest weaknesses, especially against All Is Dust. But I again run into the problem of what to cut from my list for it. Gods ending up in my graveyard doesn't really bother me, I specifically play a few mass revival spells because of it.As much as Sheoldred is a one up on Reya in every way, Sheoldred is far less subtle on the board. I know from experience in other decks that she immediately becomes a priority target once she hits the board, Reya on the other hand gets left alone for a few turns most of the time because people don't really pay much attention until her ability triggers on something they wanted to stay gone. That said though, I will probably test the spider queen out at some point when I'm not playing her in another deck.
February 5, 2016 11:09 p.m.
shaderaven says... #7
ElendVenture I can see where your coming from with Sheoldred. As for what to cut:
In Garruk's Wake is a pretty expensive spell. Since most of your creatures are already indestructible, or can become indestructible with Avacyn, Angel of Hope it doesn't really matter that it says "you don't control"
Cyclonic Rift is also a little expensive for this deck. again going with the "you don't control" is good, but it doesn't remove them for good, just for a turn or two.
I would consider Darksteel Ingot redundant since you are running both Chromatic Lantern and Prismatic Omen Not to mention that most of your land taps for either any color or a choice of colors, you don't need much mana fixing.
As a personal preference I would cut Mana Flare just because it gives more mana to my opponents.
I think Jace, Sharkhan, and Sorin can be cut from your planeswalkers withouth much disruption into what they do. You have PLENTY of card advantage so Jace is meh. Sharkhan is best with dragons and you don't have any. and Sorin has a great ultimate ability, but in my experince he gets targeted too quickly and dies before he can reach it. it takes 4 turns to play him and another 4 to activate his ultimate, thats too long in my opinion.
These are all just suggestions and you do not have to listen to anything I say. If you disagree with me, please do so. This is your deck and should reflect exactly what you want it to do. Hopefully though, I have given you a few options that would seem reasonable. +1, good sir.
February 5, 2016 11:52 p.m.
Plsdontquit says... #8
Dump Reya Dawnbringer in exchange for Herald of the Pantheon.
February 19, 2016 10:20 p.m.
Jimmy_Chinchila says... #9
Looks good, +1! Second Sunrise good to save your non-gods. Replenish would also piss some people off.
February 22, 2016 12:53 a.m.
shaderaven says... #10
Jimmy_Chinchila Replenish is already in the deck.
February 23, 2016 4:16 p.m.
nyctophasm says... #12
Well oh my freaking goodness... I would hate to be on the receiving end of this. Thank God for sac effects, that's all I can say, as I would only ever be an opponent to a deck like this and never its pilot. Too expensive. Plus freaking one, wishing there were plus more than that to give.
March 5, 2016 12:11 p.m.
ElendVenture says... #13
shaderaven This is going to be hard! I've played this deck too much and had so many clutch interactions with the cards. First off, thank you for your suggestions, your reasons are all valid. Here are some counterpoints from my side.
In Garruk's Wake has been more than worth it's mana cost every time it's been in my hand. When I normally cast it, it's clearing the way for the win. Besides, I can't always have Avacyn, Angel of Hope on the field. The same goes for Cyclonic Rift, it's not permanent removal, but it has either cleared my way or saved my life more often than not.
Darksteel Ingot enables the rare turn 4 Progenitus, not so sure I'm ready to give that up yet.
The thing about Mana Flare is the politics involved in it, it turns me into the middle east. No one likes me, but they don't want to lose their precious double mana either. :p I am willing to cut this one, but only for another mana doubler. I'm thinking maybe Zendikar Resurgent or Mana Reflection.
Jace, Architect of Thought can go. He provides some good advantage if I got a slow start, but overall he's kind of meh. Sarkhan Unbroken though, his +1 is used every turn when he's out. I kind of use him more for the mana than the card draw. If I can get him out on turn 4, he sets me permanently ahead. Turn 5 he catches me back up if I'm behind. Most people see him and think only of dragons, but my philosophy is to never play a planeswalker for their ultimate. If he was an enchantment with the same cost that only had his +1, he'd be in every deck you could shove him in. Now for Sorin, Lord of Innistrad, I keep meaning to switch him out for Sorin, Solemn Visitor. It would be nice to double up on the global lifelink effect from my whip.
Plsdontquit I've been considering Herald of the Pantheon for a minute now. I'm not so sure about cutting out Reya Dawnbringer though, she does work.
Akyoni1 People keep suggesting Captain Sisay, but I keep not having a copy of her. :p When I finally get a hold of one, she will certainly be tested.
Jimmy_Chinchila Second Sunrise WOULD make a good counter to All Is Dust, I shall certainly consider it.
nyctophasm Unless you cast All Is Dust, your sac effects will only succeed in turning off my devotion for a minute. The gods will always return, and in greater numbers! :D
March 6, 2016 1:23 a.m.
ASDmtgplayer says... #14
I came across this deck because I've been itching to build something similar.
What I love about it: It uses all five Gods and, while slow, synergizes well late game and is just lots of fun to play in a really casual environment/playgroup.
Problematics: As you pointed out, it is slow. It's way overpriced for what it does and for a casual group. If I'm going to spend this kind of money, I'm building an amazing deck (in the sense of speed and effectiveness.
Overall: This deck is fantastic for a fun environment. The price is terrible for a casual deck.
March 10, 2016 4:18 p.m.
asasinater13 says... #15
700 for dedicated EDH isn't bad at all. also maybe it's a meta where there's lots of slow decks and that's the norm.
March 10, 2016 10:25 p.m.
ASDmtgplayer says... #16
I've seen my share of $500 decks kill $3000 decks by a landslide (I have a few $400-$700 decks that are meant to win and show that one can win without paying 2 months worth of rent or mortgage to do so)
I love this deck, don't get me wrong! I love decks with theme and flavor and creativity thought put behind them. This one fits all those descriptions.
March 11, 2016 3:27 a.m.
ElendVenture says... #17
ASDmtgplayer Sadly there's no way to really make this deck cheap. Even when I first threw it together a couple of years ago it was over $500, and it was much less focused back then. I have certainly not spent the full price on this deck though. Most cards have either been lucky pulls, or fantastic ebay deals. Overall the deck may be slow, but it can be deceptively quick when piloted right. I've come out with turn 5 and 6 kills on multiple occasions.
All in all though, I will never knowingly pilot this deck in a heavy combo environment. This deck is at it's heart a flavor packed casual deck.
March 11, 2016 7:03 p.m.
slovespokemon says... #18
This is an awesome deck my only problem is that it is too slow, especially for 1v1. I just tested it against Mikaeus, extreme sub $20 budget and this deck lost. Overall though I think this deck is great and is probably better with more people.
March 13, 2016 11:40 p.m.
Vextierium says... #19
Starfield of Nyx instead of Open the Vaults should help this deck a bit
March 14, 2016 6:53 p.m.
ElendVenture says... #20
slovespokemon Well this deck's main weakness is infinite combos seeing as it does not have any, and the $20 Mikaeus deck is built to combo out. But yes, I only every play this in multiplayer pods.
Vextierium I'm still super iffy on Starfield of Nyx since it causes a lot of rather complicated layers of interaction between devotion and Starfield's abilities. It's really a lot to keep track of when half of my creatures are gods with the devotion keyword. Things will be different depending on the order things entered the field and depending on the order each of their clauses for making them creatures was met.
I could go into a long detailed explanation on the interactions between the gods and starfield if you want it, but overall I will say offhand that it's really just too complicated to run in a deck with all of the gods. I'm the type of player who keeps notes in his head, but I would need to keep track of this on paper if I wanted to play it by the proper rules.
March 14, 2016 7:33 p.m.
Vextierium says... #21
Starfield of Nyx overrides the gods devotion period, your gods will always be creatures with there power and toughness equal to there converted mana cost while they are active or not for as long as Starfield of Nyx is active and on the battlefield, that said that is a extremely small downside in consideration of Starfield of Nyx's abilities. If that is not your concern please inform me of exactly what you mean please.
March 15, 2016 12:23 a.m.
Nice deck... we share the same passion on having the 15 Gods...
Some suggestion... you can try squeezing in "Mana Bloom" this has very good synergy as a color fixer and a card draw engine, feeds the sigil well also...
i like your concept on cheating creature to the game.. =) +1 to that...
we have different styles on the deck and same here am looking for techs to improve my deck...
March 21, 2016 8:01 a.m.
Actually Vextierium, if their devotion is not satisfied when they enter the battlefield, you're right, Starfield of Nyx overrides the devotion and makes them a creature with power and toughness equal to converted mana cost. And even if their devotion is subsequently satisfied, they still keep that power and toughness. But if the devotion is satisfied as they enter, they enter as a creature, so Starfield doesn't apply, and they have their printed power and toughness. But if they then lose devotion, then they become a non-creature enchantment and Starfield applies.So you have to not only keep track of devotion, but also when that devotion happens.
April 8, 2016 10:30 a.m.
Actually, I just had a look and it's even more complicated than that. As you can see here: http://boardgames.stackexchange.com/questions/24787/how-does-starfield-of-nyx-interact-with-the-theros-gods
TheRedGoat says... #1
What about finding space for Seedborn Muse and Teferi, Mage of Zhalfir? I know its really not efficient to put 2 cards in for the same effects as one, but that one was Prophet of Kruphix so maybe this could be an exceptional case? It would be easy to swap out Leyline of Anticipation for him.
January 29, 2016 12:16 a.m.