Yea that is what I meant.

thegr8jr I suggest you DON'T run Treasure Map  ^Flip instead of Metalspinner's Puzzleknot.

It is MUCH more likely to be removed.

Those people suggesting it are probably just doing so because they have gotten it into to their head that you MUST run that card if you want an Artifact with draw.

I tested with it, and it was hopeless.

You could take out Twilight Prophet for Glint-Sleeve Siphoner, if you must.

Again, people just automatically suggest that card for draw.

If you put early Creatures in a Control deck you run the risk that they will be easily removed, because you don't have many, and people pack early removal.

They are easy targets.

Glad the deck played well for you.

Can you clarify what you mean by this?

"only thing i couldnt deal with easily and effectlively was early card draw"

Were the Opponents getting ahead of you by drawing more cards than you could deal with, or did you feel the need for more early draw yourself?

I find that I have often been playing Metalspinner's Puzzleknot on Turn 2, if I have Cut / Ribbons in hand or need the draw, or on Turn 3 if I have Fatal Push or Magma Spray in hand.

Then I am often able to sac it on my Opponent's Turn 3/4 End Step, if I have mana open, because they didn't play a Creature.

It might just take some getting used to, for you.

Argy i agree about the treasure map, but what i meant with small creatures is something to deffend and heal with and maybe waste their Lightning Strikes .

i never was able to play a turn two metal spinner, i played it just when i had mana left and removal left.

its my first time testing the deck maybe i need some more practice.

was also suggested to run the gonti in the mainboard. also i never saw use for the Bontu's Last Reckoning

thegr8jr unfortunately my decks are always built with very specific Sideboards, relevant to my local meta.

Bontu's Last Reckoning comes in against decks that can go wide by the mid to late game.

Or against decks using Carnage Tyrant.

You can use Twilight Prophet to defend with, and in the late game it starts to give you life.

You could use Gonti, Lord of Luxury in the Mainboard, but what are you going to remove?

Glorybringer, and Tetzimoc, Primal Death help you maintain more precise Control through your Creatures, and you really need all the removal spells you can get your hands on for this to function as a consistent Control deck.

I guess you could replace Twilight Prophet, as it is the same mana cost, but you do lose a way to potentially draw, and gain life, in the late game.

That card was a drawing machine for me, tonight.

I like Gonti, Lord of Luxury in the Sideboard as a nasty surprise against Approach of the Second Sun decks, as an extra Creature to run Control decks out of cards, and as a nice extra problem against decks with smaller Creatures.

Its surprise factor is excellent for winning Game 2.

Control decks are notoriously tricky to pilot. You've really got to know your meta back to front in order to get the best out of them.

There are also probably lots of little tricks in this one that you might not be aware of.

It also might not suit your play style. Most brewed decks work well because they are piloted by the person who put them together.

If you think putting more Creatures in this deck would make it work better for you, then by all means you should tweak it.

Just make sure that you don't start shoving in cards that other people tell you that you should, because they have seen them work well in other decks.

This deck has a very specific game plan, and mucking around with that too much may end up weakening it.

Argy im very hesitant to adding more stuff in as im very pleased with the way the deck is rn, tho its not performing well against my meta which is mostly mono red, blue black and approach. i either dont seem to know how to play it well or the deck doesnt perform well in my meta.

and i would brew my own stuff, but i do not have experience brewing decks for standard. i made one which is this Pinger tribal tho i got heavily criticized and told it wouldnt work like i think it would, but idk tbh.

Congrats on 5th place.

Holla! Great job at showdown. It sounds like you did better against control this standard standard show down than the last but still struggled. I think Field of Ruin is good against control cause it destroys Search for Azcanta  ^Flip and can make them shuffle away approach.

thegr8jr the best meta for this deck is one with quite a few Creature heavy decks.

It can win against Control, usually by running them out of cards, then getting them with Cut / Ribbons. I usually Lost Legacy their Torrential Gearhulk, then The Scarab God, then Disallow.

Gonti usually helps to waste spells, and sometimes grabs something to cast (you still get to cast it, even if Gonti dies).

If you can resolve Angrath you get to waste another of their cards. Sometimes more.

It's a tough matchup, but it can still be won.

Beating Approach of the Second Sun is a timing thing. Lost Legacy that card on your Turn, after they tap out to cast it the first time.

If that doesn't work, count where it is in the deck and try to use Gonti to grab it before it falls into their hand.

I use a notepad and write 6 vertical lines, then an A.

I cross off each line for each card they remove from their deck, so I know when Approach is in Gonti range.

These are the little tricks that can help you beat these decks.

I'm not gonna lie, these aren't ideal matchups for Flame-Chained.

Argy lost legacy doesnt grap torrential, thats why i lost to the game with approach, that and i named Settle the Wreckage with my second lost legacy rather than naming cast out. but yeah my meta is very creature heavy and maybe those two drops will help.

Thanks for gifting me a token! Ive never had a featured deck before.

I just thought I should let you know Torrential Gearhulk is an illegal target for Lost Legacy since its an artifact creature.

Legendary_penguin_of_death gets a Feature Token for being the first user to ever Hola! in my Comments.

I have thought long and hard about using Field of Ruin.

The problem is that I really need the Scavenger Grounds in my current meta, which was very evident tonight.

If I add more lands that produce no coloured mana, it can make me colour screwed, which I found out at FNM the hard way.

Only one player is currently using Search for Azcanta  ^Flip, and I could have beaten him tonight if I didn't make a dunderheaded play.

The shuffling away of Approach of the Second Sun doesn't always work, I've experienced. The Opponent often has a second one in hand anyway, or you accidentally end up shuffling one closer to the top.

I will continue to think about Field of Ruin, particularly if my meta shifts.

At the moment I don't see a way of squeezing it into the deck.

I don't want to remove Arch of Orazca.

Argy i chose to run one Field of Ruin instead of one of your 3 Scavenger Grounds and it worked pretty well with me

Yeah, sorry about the Torrential Gearhulk stuff up.

It's 1:30 am here, and I'm exhausted after playing Standard Showdown and then typing up the match report.

You don't need to grab Torrential Gearhulk, as there are enough ways in the deck to wreck it anyway.

It's The Scarab God, and the Disallow that you really want.

After those you can go for Essence Scatter.

Argy also Abrade for side is cool

"Argy Lost Legacy doesnt grab Torrential, that's why I lost to the game with Approach"

This is why I have Scavenger Grounds. It completely shuts down the ETB trigger on Torrential Gearhulk.

They cannot cast what is not there.

You should have been naming Approach of the Second Sun on that match up, shouldn't you?

Argy i lost out of damage not its etb

Interesting.

I haven't experienced any problems with removing Torrential Gearhulk.

I usually either use Vraska's Contempt, or Tetzimoc's ability.

Sometimes I'll hit it with two spells, like a Cut / Ribbons, and a Magma Spray.

Tonight someone blocked my Tetzimoc with their Torrential Gearhulk, which turned out to be a VERY effective way of removing it!☻

Holla!

Holla! ;-)

Holla! Not too shaby Argy. Though the misplay with Lost Legacy made me cringe; I was thinking "Oh Argy, why did you do that dumb play?"

So far it looks like /X control is giving you a hard time. This deck will not fare well vs blue

Well, I think we need to consider whether I would have lost had I made the correct play with Lost Legacy.

He completely tapped out to play it, and had no other source of mana.

I've found that with more Creatures coming in Post-Sideboard, and with Scavenger Grounds nerfing Torrential Gearhulk, I can bleed all the Counter spells out of a /x deck.

In practice.

I've just got to tighten my play up.

Thanks for the Holla! AgentGreen.

Multiply your cringing by about a thousand, and you might get an idea of how I felt tonight.

☹

What if you run in a more conventional control deck, I mean something running U and lots of counters?

kon115 I do.

It's called I Drink Your Milkshake.

This is not that deck, and works fine.

Holla!

AgentJackjohn

Legend!