Dragonfish17 says... #2
Ya I saw that, the new art work looks better so I understand. And I wish you luck with your deck and hope you kick ass with it. :)
January 24, 2014 8:29 a.m.
Dragonfish17 says... #3
Wow so I just saw this card that'd be perfect for you. Storm caller of kranos. Red card and it let's you scry for two mana. So you can activate that as much as you have mana. Pump that flamespeaker
January 24, 2014 9:52 a.m.
Thanks dude! :) oh and i ended up finding a divination in my collection, lol.
is it one of the spoiled cards?
January 25, 2014 4:01 a.m.
I found it! Stormcaller of Keranos looks good, but what would i take out? adding in a few would bring me to 20 creatures or over... the only thing i can think of would be one of the spellheart chimeras. or maybe a young pyromancer depending...
January 25, 2014 4:06 a.m.
Try out a pair of Armed for effectively doubling the adept's power for a turn.
January 25, 2014 9:42 p.m.
@Biffy12
I will look into it! thank you! that double strike could be VERY handy for when flamespeaker is pumped up.
January 26, 2014 4:20 a.m.
I have a flamespeaker deck and magma jet is the best card in it. A full four is recommended. Id say. -2 elite arcanist because its to fragile
January 27, 2014 9:21 p.m.
I have yet to playtest it in its current state, but I hope i can soon and will be able to try it with the 2 more magma jet, and one with the 2 arcanist. Thank you!
I do agree, magma jet is very good in this deck, i was thinking with all my copy spell abilites that running less would be an okay thing. but i could be wrong
January 27, 2014 9:27 p.m.
Pseudolife says... #12
Hmmm I feel like this is very similar to another strategy that revolves around Guttersnipe and Nivix Cyclops . So I would advise you to look at those two cards closely, as they could replace your AEtherling , stormbreath, and probably Elite Arcanist . (Unless you really love them haha!)
Also Armed / Dangerous is a nice way double that pumped flamespeaker. You could throw in Quicken to cast it after they decide not to block.
Check out these videos: http://www.gatheringmagic.com/kevin-crimin-01242014-playing-on-a-budget-nivix-cyclops-2-0/
January 27, 2014 10:16 p.m.
Dragonfish17 says... #13
I wouldn't take out eatherling for he's just to good of an alternate win con. But those two might have a place in here because they both benefit from this play style
January 27, 2014 10:48 p.m.
I think that The Nivik Cyclops wouldnt be a bad idea, however I wouldnt know what to take out... im starting to rethink the inclusion of Spellheart Chimera in this deck due to the fact that pumping him up would take a lot longer than my Flamespeaker adept.
...Armed and Dangerous would be great. however with all the cards you mentioned it starts getting away from that oh so precious scry i am aiming for. when for instance i could throw in another Titans strength and get +5/+1 at instant speed (if cast on flamespeaker) but then again dat double strike.
I am just in a difficult spot when it gets down to replacing cards, for instance. would meletis be better for this deck or would elite arcanist?
as I see it, the two betrayals i have now can go. that would give me room for 2 armed, and then i wouldnt know where to go from there. I feel this deck is getting very creature heavy, which isnt bad... but still.
another creature i dont care for is omenspeaker, but that scry...
January 28, 2014 3:44 a.m.
Pseudolife says... #15
Just know what you want your deck to do and focus on that. Build it from scratch and see what you get then. Leave out AEtherling ...leave out Stormbreath Dragon . Why are they there? Put in Prescient Chimera . It has a big butt and sends your flamespeaker into super saiyan god mode. Another creature you could benefit from is Thassa, God of the Sea . These are creatures that work towards your goal.
I honestly don't like the dudes that copy your spells... but If I had to choose one it would be the Meletis Charlatan .
Try to run 20-24 spells. And only leave in the creatures that combo with your strategy. 4x Flamespeaker Adept , 2x Young Pyromancer , 2xNivix Cyclops , 4x Guttersnipe 2x Prescient Chimera 2x Meletis Charlatan . Then fill in the blanks with good spells and about 23 lands.
If you're going to run Armed / Dangerous you need to run Quicken with it. Plus scry doesn't really stack, so having some card draw will let you put the extra scrying to good use.
January 28, 2014 10:42 p.m.
Pseudolife says... #16
Couldn't help myself!! This is how I would run it... I think it stays true to your intentions. http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/flamespeaker-adept-20/
January 28, 2014 11:07 p.m.
Pseudolife says... #17
crap that link doesn't work... try Flamespeaker Adept 2.0
January 28, 2014 11:14 p.m.
Dragonfish17 says... #18
I'll defend eatherling just for the fact he's a win con. Theirs no reason you can't have something to change up your deck so your opponent can't just go "oh well his whole deck is based around one card. Well there's my target. " I'd go 4 on the forms. And as amazing as double strike is none of that matters if you don't have trample. So I'd recommend telportal just for the ability to force damage through without getting caught up in blockers. Just a recommendation.
January 29, 2014 12:15 a.m.
Pseudolife says... #19
No doubt AEtherling is an amazing card. I just hate drawing him ever in a deck like this. I guess having one isn't too bad when you have this much scry-power... I guess it's just up to the player.
January 29, 2014 1:26 a.m.
Dragonfish17 says... #20
That's pretty much my point. Running a deck based on scry you can run like 10 snuffalapoguse and choose to never see one the whole game. But ya he can just scry him away if he fee like he doesn't need him atm.
January 29, 2014 3:56 a.m.
I'm actually gonna say x4 Aqueous Form just because it lets you scry, whic pumps your dudes and makes them unblockable. Also, they're just great in any deck with blue trying to win with creatures.
January 29, 2014 9:26 p.m.
@pseudolife I was thinking about it. and im not quite sure why Stormbreath is in this deck. mainly just because i have him... so i could take him out and throw in a chimera or something...
why dont you like the dude who copies spells? it turns my titans strength into a +6/ +2 or my magma jet into four dmg... plus not to mention flamespeaker gets the +2/+0 for each time a card says scry.... so with a copied card (with scry) thats another +4/+0 damage. so in this case, scry DOES stack with flamespeakers ability
I do like your take on my deck, and the Prescient Chimera i did play around some with, but maybe i could revisit him and see how he synergies-es.
@everyone I really dont feel as if the spellheart chimera fits in this deck. i dont see his place as if i am trying to pump up the flamespeaker quickly, he does need a little bit of setting up before he is strong. how do you guys feel about swapping out the spellheart x2 for Prescient Chimera x2.
Also, 2 young pyromancers probably could go either for 2 magma jets, 1 magma jet and 1 aqueous form, or throw in another titans strength in the mix. and also id have another room for one more card if stormbreath wasnt there, i could add in any of the previously mentioned cards or reserve that spot for thassa. ( i plan on calling around for thassa tomorrow)
it also leaves the 2 betrayals... I think i will leave out armed and dangerous/ quicken for now, and see where i am at after a little more tweaking.
2 nivix cyclops wouldnt be bad, but i wouldnt want to go any more than that. and as always, more dual colored lands would never hurt.
@pseudolife why did you choose to have 3 armed and 4 quicken? you could easily run 4 of each and take out a land.
January 30, 2014 3 a.m.
Pseudolife says... #23
First point: I don't like the Elite Arcanist because he dies to like 5 times as many things as other 4 cmc creatures because he's a wittle-bitty guy. Not to mention, you exile one of your spells when you cast him. So if they kill him, you get two-for-oned if you never used his ability. What makes Elite Arcanist awesome is he filters mana and lets you splash something like Gods Willing in your deck lol.
January 30, 2014 3:33 p.m.
Pseudolife says... #24
Oh second point: I put 4 quicken in because you really need it to make armed//dangerous good, and because drawing a card is always good and it triggers all of the other creatures that don't care about scrying. The one thing I think your deck is missing is card draw. You scry so much that it doesn't matter if you find a card you like: Scry #1 you find a card, it goes on top; scry #2 yep, same card... stays on top; scry #3 yawn. If you throw in a quicken after scry #1 you're golden. How many times have you scryed and said, "Damn I wish I had that card NOW."
January 30, 2014 3:39 p.m.
True. then what about throwing in Divination like Dragonfish said?
kevin916 says... #1
@dragonfish17
Divination will have to wait for born of the gods to come out, although its not expensive i did just pre-order a box of the new set and Divination just got spoiled as a reprint http://mythicspoiler.com/bng/cards/divination.html
but other than that I'll just need Thassa (god) and figure out what to do with the betrayal and im all set.
by the way, Thank you everyone for your input and suggestions so far! I really appreciate it.
January 24, 2014 3:11 a.m.