bro, everything you said up there is cool, but it only serves as a side board pretty much ...

Sorry...

Leptys Will the budget decks run in a similar way with roughly the same win cons as this list? I currently run meren dredge or jank and wanted to get into something more competitive

Hey guys, good morning.

Leptys

I replaced Wall of Roots for Heroic Intervention , what do you think?

In my view, it would be to give our frog more protection.

ASSURANCE?

Lipifi what?

I will test and take out WoR, I combo without WoR, sometimes it doesn't even come into my hand, in almost any game ...

n0bunga its the creature equivalent to an effect like Fellwar Stone , amazing card, better than Heroic here.

Hello first comment ever, your list inspired me to make a Gitrog list myself, although I see why you cut Skirge Familiar I'm also a bit conflicted, Skirge's effect is a Mana Ability and therefore does not use the stack so it limits the amount of targets an opponent can respond to. I know you have Lotus Petal included for during tunneling to make any of the mana you need but I'm just curious if Skirge's ability to exist outside the stack warrants maybe a revaluation. I'm likely wrong here but just wanted to ask!

@Gundam-Tyrfing:

Hello, very glad to see you've enjoyed the primer!

While it's true that Skirge Familiar 's activation itself can't be responded to, people can still respond to the trigger Gitrog creates when Dakmor hits the graveyard. This, as well as the eventual graveyard shuffling triggers happen on the stack, which forces you to pass priority on every discard nevertheless when starting to go off. So while the upside you mentioned does exist, it's unfortunately negated by the rest of the mechanics from the combo.

One corner case where Skirge's mana ability does become relevant, however, is when someone puts a spell with Split Second on the stack. While most actions are prohibited when a spell with Split Second is on the stack, you can still activate mana abilities normally, which makes it possible for Split Second spells to work as a sort of "protection" when using Skirge as your discard outlet.

@Leptys:

Thank you for responding! I see what you mean, I always thought that as soon as an opponent responds to your trigger you could always pitch an additional land to keep you in control of the loop. Well you would have to let the shuffling triggers resolve once the stack moves back down to your opponent's spell or effect could you not then discard a land again to once again retake control? This does require a lot of additional resources, like extra lands in hand and the like to offer as form of protection for Skirge loop so its not the most viable thing I also could be wrong if you can interact this way, either way it seems more of a corner case where you have extra resources to burn.

I do like the mention of Split Second that could be nasty! I'll have to reevaluate my deck and see if Skirge needs to get the axe thank you so much for all the information!

@Gundam-Tyrfing:

You can always keep going in response to interaction if people are responding to discarding Dakmor. After they pass priority, you can respond by discarding an additional land as you described, but you don't need to use Skirge as your discard outlet for this, as Gitrog's "draw a card" trigger always goes on top of the discard outlet's "activation" ( Noose Constrictor 's +1/+1 effect etc. ).

For that reason, it's often a pretty bad choice for an opponent to attempt disrupting the combo in response to discarding Dakmor. Once you have gotten Dakmor back, you're back "in control" for the rest of the line, unless someone decides to respond again. Every land you have in hand will blank one instance of removal or grave hate, in that sense (unless they try this at a specific time, see the paragraph below).

The most consistent way for an opponent to respond to the "draw-my-deck" line is by using a mix of two grave-exiling and/or creature-removing effects in response to each of the deck's two shuffle triggers. By using one interaction effect in response to both the Eldrazi titan and Gaea's Blessing , the Gitrog player will not be able to continue going off, unless they have a way to put one of the shufflers back to their library from their graveyard at instant speed ( Noxious Revival being the most prevalent example there ). However, this requires them to have a very specific card in hand as opposed to a land card, which makes this a more reliable way to stop Gitrog from being "in control" of the whole situation.

@Leptys:

I really appreciate all this information! Interesting that there is a specific way to stop the combo from going off seems like some awareness might need to be involved but its good for future reference if I face any Gitrog decks in my area.

I assumed the discard outlet worked as you described with the effect going on of the discard outlet which definitely makes it really resilient, which is one of the main reasons I love Gitrog! I think in my mind I must have tunneled on Skirge being a free mana outlet and it not using the stack as it being pretty definitive. But now with the information you've provided I can see its probably a card I should move away from!

Thank you again so much! I really appreciate the responses!

Leptys

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Leptys

Great deck... annnnnnnd I've finally achieve ascension. I now own those cards in your primer. Any thoughts about the new cards from Eldraine?

Hey Guys. My version the Gitrog is here.

https://www.ligamagic.com.br/?view=dks/deck&id=1400226

Hello!

Thanks for making the primer and especially the thorough break down of the combo.

There's one part leaving me confused though; I'm probably missing a very obvious solution, but I was hoping you could tell me.

Under, "Infinite Mana & Winning the Game" you state: "4. Before letting the draw trigger resolve, dredge Dakmor and shuffle your KoziLand library twice more for a total of three draw triggers, sacrificing Lotus Petal before the last shuffle resolves to shuffle it in."

So you start the loop with Lotus Petal played, discarding 1 land; 1 draw trigger - hold priority - discard Koz - shuffle. Your library is then 2 cards again. Discard Drakmor - 2 draw triggers now on the stack - Dredge consumes 1 draw trigger (back down to 1) - mill Koz & land - additional draw trigger on the stack (now back at 2?).

Before the Koz shuffle, you have Lotus Petal resolve, hitting the graveyard, so it is shuffled as well. However, I only see 2 draw triggers - where did I miss one? I really want to make this deck, but I want to completely understand it first, thank you.

Well, sorry for the long winded post above. After reading through the description again, it occurred to me that you just dredge Dakmor again in the KoziLand state - milling a land and gaining another trigger.

You just stop at three to draw the Koz, land & Lotus Petal. Guess I'm pretty slow on the uptake, but at least I got there eventually...

Hey guys! Morning!

What did you think of once upon a time?

Once Upon a Time is ok ish... Not my first choice.

BTW, I'd love feedback on my Turbo Twin-Titan build Git-Gud Gitrog cEDH, please and thank you

Hi, i wanted to ask clarification about the cleanup step sculpt and a way to win with It. As i'm going trough the loop do i only sculpt my hand to cast the combo during my opponent's upkeep or will i get a chance to cast instants since, as you wrote, i get priority in an unconventional way because of triggered abilities or substitutive effect resolutions?

ZauN91

You can still cast instants during your cleanup step. It is a bit more technical than that though. For example: Discarding a land due to hand size during clean up step triggers Gitrog's draw ability. The Draw trigger is now on the stack, you can respond to that trigger by casting an instant.

But let's pretend you have Emergence Zone on the field during your clean up step. You can use it's second ability and now cast any card from your hand. Preferably when you have drawn your whole deck.

You do have the option to cast the combo during your opponent's upkeep too. The more you play the more you will realize that finding the optimal time to cast your combo is a bit harder than getting the combo itself.

Drop Gaea's Blessing for Ulamog, the Infinite Gyre ? Only asking because Gaea's Blessing will only reshuffle your graveyard if it is milled from your library. Its a good ability, but you can not discard it to get the same effect that both Kozilek, Butcher of Truth and Ulamog, the Infinite Gyre 's abilities.

Great Deck BTW +1

What do you want to fetch with Summoner's Pact ?

LurkerInTheBush

It all depends on what you need at that moment. For example: You have Gitrog and a discard outlet on board, then you should fetch Golgari Grave-Troll and start dredging for Dakmor Salvage to win the game. There are times that I fetched Collector Ouphe to slow opponents down.

What about Dryad of the Ilysian Grove ?