• it's not that Wolfir Silverheart would hurt my CMC too much, it's just that Thragtusk is much better PLUS has a better mana cost
• Golgari Charm is in the sideboard, i have better removals for the mainboard
• the only haste creature with double cost is Strangleroot Geist and my dual/shock lands, Deathrite Shaman and Evolving Wilds ensure that won't be a problem. the other double cost creatures will come later

I like the deck but I just wanted to say that if you are going to run Evolving Wilds in a two color deck then you should just run the Golgari Guildgate . Essentially they both come in tapped except the gates give you access to both colors instead of just which ever one you fetch.

thx for your comment, Tunde

however, if you read previous comments (yeah, i know, there are way too many) you'd know i run Evolving Wilds because after using them i can re-utilize them with Deathrite Shaman which many times gives me a 3rd green for Garruk, Primal Hunter or anything else i need to get a short boost in mana for a 1 turn mana advantage. something i could not do with a Golgari Guildgate

Sorry I forgot about that ability of his... It was 3am here and just spaced on it (Plus I have never needed to use that ability). I do not even usually play standard anymore but EDH instead :P. I did not look at your side board last night but I am wondering what the Shimian Specter is there for? Wouldn't you be better off putting something like 2 Witchbane Orb and an extra kill spell or something instead?

Tunde

I usually have a few cards in my sideboard that I test or just to mess around a little. Shimian Specter is there to be used against slow control decks, but I haven't played against one lately so I haven't tested it yet. If I don't like them I'll probably just put in some more removal or creature or whatever xD

Currently I don't have any use for Witchbane Orb as there is really not much stuff "direct player damage" going on in my local meta.

However on second thought, Witchbane Orb might proof useful against those pesky sacrifice W/B decks that are around lately. Hmmmm... I'll think about it ;)

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Sorry I forgot about that ability of his... It was 3am here and just spaced on it (Plus I have never needed to use that ability). I do not even usually play standard anymore but EDH instead :P. I did not look at your side board last night but I am wondering what the Shimian Specter is there for? Wouldn't you be better off putting something like 2 Witchbane Orb and an extra kill spell or something instead?

Witchbane Orb is actually extremely useful right now. Not only does it protect you from direct burn (and your planeswalkers) but also protects you from mill, the card I cannot remember the name of but allows you to name a card upon resolution and you search their hand, library, and grave for said card and exile them, sacrificing kill spells, Blood Artist type abilities and probably other things I am forgetting.

Door to Nothingness if that is still a deck. All in all it is a very good sideboard card and is more useful than you may think. I know I could've put it all in one msg but I didn't think of this card till after :P. So sorry for the extra msg lol

you convinced me yesterday already when I though about Blood Artist decks, which are more and more in my local meta ;)

i just need to think about stuff that targets player or opponents, as Witchbane Orb will not protect me against stuff that affects "all opponents", but i am starting to like it more and more. probably gonna buy a playset this afternoon ;)

Heck the thing even protects me against Liliana of the Veil sacrifice.

Decided: MUST GET! ;) thx for the suggestion.

Today was a busy afternoon. I tried out 2x Essence Harvest as mainboard (instead 2x Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord ) and it worked out quite nice as a surprise effect nobody expects. Heck, when I played against the guy who won today he said "wow, I didn't even know this existed" ;)

told you that common card is really underestimated! glad I helped :)

although as I read you still need to see it full potential (mostly, used @2nd main is destructive for opponents' mind! ) :)

Yepp vejiita it's certainly a card to use and I think it's gonna be most effective if sideboarded into the deck for match #2

Now I need to see if I can my hands on some Witchbane Orb (which will probably replace Shimian Specter and test them out.

Sucks tho, that I didn't get a decent sideboard until it's nearly too late and everything cycles out, haha.

You won't need a play set lol but I'm glad you like it. Also I actually like the Essence Harvest as a 2 of. Provides decent reach and also helps you in a bind. I would mainboard it before I side it I think. It helps you win game one and there is no need to bring it in. The sideboard should be for things that help you win against decks you may have a problem with. Or at least answer things you have problems with. I do not see Essence Harvest being a card like that but instead a card you would have main and remove for the things that you need to bring in to help deal with whatever is giving you trouble.

This is a fine piece of deck construction. How does it fair against BWx control? Do you just punish them for putting so many sorcery and instants in the graveyard with Deathrite Shaman ? How about turn 4 Supreme Verdict ?

myrsayswhat it works ok against control, but I really need to be smart on every move I do.

The most dangerous cards, as I currently don't have any sideboard against it, is Sphinx's Revelation

My main strategy is to always keep some creatures with haste in my hand, to use after Supreme Verdict . But I am not afraid of the verdict, if I am lucky I have a Golgari Charm in hand. Terminus is much worse, so always keep a few creatures in hand.

Abrupt Decay vs. their Detention Sphere

and Garruk, Primal Hunter is very good too to keep pouring out tokens after a verdict.

but the best thing most of the times is to use Liliana of the Veil s first ability, followed by Deathrite Shaman s ability on their GY

I like your posts about FNM etc so much! :) especially when you call 'my' common triumph card haha! I'm glad I convinced another person to that card! who cares fogs, who cares defenders... !

I would recommend deadbridge goliath over desecration demon because the demon gives you opponent choices. You opponent can just sac a guy (say a lingering souls token and then get in with his threats unopposed) also goliath already has scavenge for those games where you just don't draw varolz

Hey Hey zandadoum I didn't want to squat on your deck to try to get views for mine. I finally got it up and a description put on it. Do you think you could have a look see at it and tell me what you think? Your help would be greatly appreciated.

Stuart123987 i know where you're coming from, but the demon is also some sort of psychological weapon.for example: opponent thinks he got him under control... then suddenly i cast a Garruk, Primal Hunter and draw a lot of cards thx to the fact my demon has some counters. or i use Essence Harvest (like i did last weekend, for 10hp drain) or i just suddenly remove all his creatures previous to combat and then hit him with a 10/10 demon. besides, forcing the opponent to sacc a creature, even if it's a 1/1 token, is already good.

bcoots will go and check it ;)

Nice deck ! You must be putting a lot of pressure on your opponent with that deck.

+1

Desecration Demond basically allows your opponent exactly how you attack or block with it, say your opponent has no fliers, he can just sac a guy and it is almost as if he blocked with that guy(except for the counter) and if you REALLY have to block somebody, you opponent can just sac a guy to have your Demond 'block' that guy. I see what you are saying about the Garruk and essence harvest but I think scavenging should work just fine.

I would take a reusable Tribute to Hunger esk card with a 6/6 flying body over a 5/5 non trampling ground guy that I MAY get to scavenge 5 counters onto a creature (which would just be getting blocked or removed anyways). Eventually they will run out of creatures and be taking a large amount of damage. Or be forced to finally remove him. At which point you forced them to get rid of creatures AND use a removal spell all for the same permanent. It isn't like his deck only has 4 demons in it for his only creatures. He has pressure with other creatures as well that they will be forced to either sac to the demon or block the ground guys and take 6 in the air.

Tunde explained it pretty well, Stuart123987

and as I tried to explain in my previous post, I know how to play my Desecration Demon s and also use them as a phycological tool.

Opponent THINKS he's got stuff under control and then suddenly BAM, I take advantage of my huge demon, even if it's tapped.

Only thing about this that I am considering right now is to remove (or sideboard) my 2x Golgari Charm in favour of 2x Mutilate

I know it's way too early to think too much about this, but the truth is that in October, more than half of my deck will not be valid for standard. And as I will have to acquire a lot of new cards, I have been thinking to convert to a Jund by adding red to this deck.

There are a lot of cool rakdos cards and also gruul cards that will still be valid in October.

I will try and stay true to my Golgari colors... but what do you guys think?