I actually agree with Blood Baron of Vizkopa in for Underworld Connections . However I don't think I've ever had a big problem with mana, and if I did, it was no big deal. If anything, my problem would be drawing not enough lands, which, with 25 lands, can't really be fixed. Thanks though, if I get my hands on Blood Baron of Vizkopa we'll definitely try it out.
May 24, 2014 9:50 p.m.
Blood Baron of Vizkopa did price drop to $9.99, slightly more attainable.
May 24, 2014 11:29 p.m.
Yeah, and getting plenty of Promos makes that a whole lot easier. Thanks.
May 24, 2014 11:54 p.m.
I was thinking more for speed then anything else. Drawing a guildgate on turn five when you could drop a bloodbaron or ghost council could make a difference. I ran a RWB deck for 2 months and I used celestial flares but this was before bileblight. Ever think of using drown in sorrow for the scry affect?
May 25, 2014 1:34 a.m.
Hmm, never thought of using Drown in Sorrow , I value my White Weenies quite a lot, especially Soldier of the Pantheon . With that in mind, I was thinking that the scry would be irrelevant if my early drop creatures would die. As with the Mana Confluence inquiry, I see what you mean. I agree that it would be faster without the Orzhov Guildgate s, I will definitely try out Mana Confluence if I get a few. I do think that after I desperately need and have Mana Confluence , I would try not to use it much more in the game, since Thoughtseize , Read the Bones and Godless Shrine s would make me care about my life total. I have had games where life loss like that hurt me. Thanks though, I will try out Mana Confluence .
May 25, 2014 2:12 p.m.
The life loss isn't as much of an issue as you'd think. I would run two whips I this deck along with the ghost council to counter what you're losing. The other question I have is the precinct captain. I wouldn't call it a win condition like the others, what was the reasoning behind adding him? I first thought banisher priest in his spot to help with aggro decks.
May 25, 2014 2:29 p.m.
This deck is actually like a White Weenies deck in the first few turns, so Precinct Captain is very good at taking care of any 2 toughness creatures. Plus, attacking with him does two things: makes a token and deals 2 damage, assuming you land the damage. He is actually very strong in the first few turns against anything that is either a.) Creatureless or b.) Weenie decks, or anything that starts like weenie decks. After tying down the opponent, I kill him with Obzedat and friends. Banisher Priest is okay I guess, but his removal is not as good as Doom Blade .
May 25, 2014 2:50 p.m.
Your sideboard could use some work. It's not really great to have almost your entire sideboard devoted to spot removal when you already have so much of it in your deck.
Fiendslayer Paladin is a powerhouse against Burn, RDW, Rakdos, and Mono-Black Aggro decks; they literally can't touch it.
Sin Collector has its uses against both Burn (essentially counters the best card in your opponent's hand and crashes with a ground attacker) and it's obviously very good against control.
I'd be fairly concerned about your 3 copies of Doom Blade in the mainboard. I play Esper control with a fair amount of removal in it but I don't play a single copy of Doom Blade in my 75. Black is just so dominate right now and the last thing you need in your hand is dead card while staring down Nightveil Specter , Desecration Demon , and Pack Rat . Honestly, I like Ultimate Price more at this point. Silence the Believers has been pleasantly surprising me for the past few weeks I've been using it, too.
May 27, 2014 8:45 p.m.
Hmm, what is an ideal sideboard then, like how would you have it?
May 27, 2014 8:49 p.m.
Probably something like this:
3 Duress 3 Lifebane Zombie 2 Dark Betrayal 2 Sin Collector 2 Deicide 2 Fiendslayer Paladin 1 Underworld Connections
Honestly, I'd be playing the Devour Flesh main and go with 3 Blood Baron main with 2 Obzedat. Obzedat can win games easier, but he's much more difficult to stabilize the game with, unlike Blood Baron.
May 27, 2014 9:04 p.m.
Looks more solid. Your match-up against Control with this sideboard is now a lot better, since it's not just half dead removal spells.
Build a proper sideboard is all about finding cards that hit two birds with one stone. Sin Collector , as I mentioned previously, hits both Burn (arguably your worst match-up) and Control very hard. Deicide is a must-have against Mono-Blue Devotion (if anybody even plays it anymore) and is very good against Control's D-Spheres and Banishing Light .
May 27, 2014 9:38 p.m.
One of two things come to mind. First, switch some removal for sacrificing creatures removal, far/away maybe or celestial flare would work in that situation. Second, I'd sub some flyers in. I know you said not to mess with the side board that much but I think celestial flares would be a must.
Also, isn't baron pro black? Howler and the troll can't touch him.
June 16, 2014 2:54 p.m.
The_Bloody_Nine says... #17
Devour Flesh already sideboarded, and Lacken is correct about Blood Baron having pro black if that's what you meant in the original description?
June 16, 2014 3:07 p.m.
Lacken- yes the Baron is Pro Black, but my opponents mostly bestow the Nighthowler , and and usually they can make the Lotleth Troll (who has trample) super buff, making the pro black not as effective. However, I totally forgot about Celestial Flare , it really is a sick card. If the Dredge decks really become a problem, I will definitely consider Rest in Peace . Oh, and why the flyers?
June 16, 2014 5:36 p.m.
LSauce nm the flyers comment, I got the howler confused with boonsayter. Even with trample, pro black makes the damage done 0 so no trample damage can be rolled over to you. I'm i mistaken? I was foolishly attacked with a ghost council with a whip up thinking I'd gain the life but he blocked with his baron, gained 4 life and I got nothing out of it.
June 16, 2014 8:25 p.m.
Lacken If a creature has protection from a creature with trample, and the trampler attacks me, I can block with the Pro Creature. He has to assign lethal damage to my Pro Creature in order to assign trample to me. My creature would be dealt lethal, and I would be dealt the excess, but Protection means my creature doesn't actually take the damage, that's just what it is assigned. So a Blood Baron against a 20/20 black creature with trample, assuming I blocked it means that it can assign 4 damage or more to my blood baron, and the rest, usually 16 goes to me (I'm ignoring the lifelink just for demonstration purposes).
June 17, 2014 6:39 p.m.
The_Bloody_Nine says... #21
The above is correct. Also note that if the attacking creature had deathtouch in addition to trample, the attacking player need only assign 1 damage to your blocker and is then free to assign the remainder to you.
Lacken says... #1
Like it, I would change two things, drop the gates for mana confluence and drop the underworld for two more blood barons.
May 24, 2014 8:42 p.m.