fusethegreat says... #2
How are the splinters working? I personally would want to run a more reliable removal spell at instant speed. While is does provide a sac outlet, it doesn't provide a bonus for sacking, and sacking is really most powerful at instant speed(i.e sacking targets and chump blocks vs reckoner). Victim of night seems pretty powerful in the current meta and is only really bad against jund midrange (and possibly control).
February 22, 2013 4:37 a.m.
I am running a quite similar deck (Thrull Parasite was a great idea!). I think fusethegreat is right that the strength of the deck is acting at instant speed, so the 4 Duress and 2 Bone Splinters make it only less flexible. I replaced the Diregraf Ghoul with 2 Black Cat and 1 additional Thrull Parasite and the following instants/ sorceries:
- 2x card:Altar's Reap (sac engine, save Gravecrawler from exile)
- 1x Dimir Charm (against control: counter or draw, perhaps you can even discard a Gravecrawler :); against aggro: destroy)
- 1x Gravepurge (instant, so use it at the end of your oppenent turn; if you don't want creatures but only any card, just select no creatures :) )
- 4x Tragic Slip
- 1x Ultimate Price
- 1x Victim of Night
- 2x Duress (great in this deck, but no instant speed, perhaps sideboard only?)
- 2x Killing Wave (awesome even with X=0)
February 22, 2013 6:06 a.m.
Stillabris says... #4
Even though i agree with that it sucks Bone Splinters isn't an instant, it's still really good, and have been working amazingly for me. card:Altar's Reap is a card i really like and i might try running because i love that you can save creatures from exile with it, and draw is always nice. 2x Duress might end up being 2x card:Altar's Reap actually...
February 22, 2013 12:17 p.m.
Rooftop Storm + Gravecrawler + Grimgrin, Corpse-Born makes me happy in the pants. Hard to pull off in standard(phrasing), but if it went off it would be epic(also phrasing).
February 22, 2013 12:22 p.m.
I'm in love with this deck...it's just so damn expensive... makes me a sad panda.
February 23, 2013 2:37 a.m.
I like the deck, I am getting together a Zombie mill deck but I think I might side board some of these cards to present a different look on a second game. Do you find you are able to get Mikaeus out often enough to make a difference. That is one of the few I dont have and I'm just wondering with his mana cost and only having a single in the deck.
February 26, 2013 4:57 a.m.
Stillabris says... #8
He is actually really good, and six mana is not impossible in a longer game. He'll fix a stalemate because of intimidate, also all your nonhumans get +1/+1 and undying which is amazing.
February 26, 2013 5:04 a.m.
Okay so now to find one lol. My local shop doesnt have any singles from the last 3 or 4 releases so its only trades or ebay for those sets. Zombies ate my Cards is my U/B zombie mill deck if you want to take a look. And thanks +1
February 26, 2013 5:07 a.m.
I really think Dimir Charm should find a home in here; Duress is more of a sideboard card in my opinion. Just think of setting some Gravecrawler in your graveyard while also getting the card you need that might be three turns away. Also is a great kill spell.
February 27, 2013 8:40 a.m.
awkwardraisin says... #11
Tried Consuming Aberration? Not strictly a zombie, but has great synergy with Gravecrawler cus crawler is cast from the graveyard.
The deck isn't milling so I'll actually say something slightly more useful, Artful Dodge. Grimgrin getting all those counters is all well and good, but having artful dodge to quickly seal a game is spectacular. Hopefully no one will see it coming.
+1
February 27, 2013 3:21 p.m.
gnarlicide says... #12
Put in Mutilate it will help you a ton. You're welcome.
March 2, 2013 8:45 a.m.
Against Boros Reckoner - any 'destroy' spell will kill him and technically do no real damage so he can't ping it back onto you - Murder, Victim of Night, Tragic Slip (also works), you can neuter him with Dead Weight or Crippling Blight (although in these cases the opponent can still target him with their own spells to ping them onto you and so some stuff with him) or you can counter him with Essence Scatter or Dissipate.
March 2, 2013 8:53 a.m.
ThEdUnCeCaP says... #14
awesome deck for using zombies! combined with Duress seems like a really good choice to deal with all the any particular problem. and i gotta love Grimgrin, Corpse-Born! even better that you can sac a creature and have it come back with undying, aaand have a Blood Artist or Diregraf Captain trigger!?? or use Altar's Reap or Bone Splinters to get this combo!?!? or you got Killing Wave in thier that could also do the job! and you got guys like Diregraf Ghoul and Gravecrawler to do the pounding for you. great stuff.
March 8, 2013 6:27 p.m.
Honestly, you have to many different spells going on. Be more consistent, like run 4 mutilate main, maybe some bone splinters and ultimate price. Mainly mutilate will take care of all problems in your way as well as help you out. Great against naya. I'd main board 4 .mutilate and get rid of duress main. I also don't like mikeaus, he's just slow, add another thrull parasite. Killing wave is cool as a 2 of, keeps pressure.
March 9, 2013 12:52 a.m.
ThEdUnCeCaP says... #16
mikeaus is supposed to be slow. thats why he runs one. but it works perfect and is insane for 6 mana. and why not Duress main? and hes probably not running Mutilate for a reason.
March 9, 2013 4:19 p.m.
You don't really want to be running Killing Wave though. It just has so little purpose. Giving the opponent too much choice - potentially being cast and doing absolutely nothing. It's an awful card.
March 9, 2013 4:23 p.m.
ThEdUnCeCaP says... #18
no I would actually recommend Killing Wave given its adaptability ( paying for x based on the situation, lands etc, given the fact that many of your creatures benefit from undying, other abilities, and given the fact that there are many other kill spells to allow you to control the situation, i would definitely use killing wave due to its vast playability in this deck. and Barter in Blood could be considered, but i would choose this for now
March 9, 2013 4:37 p.m.
Killing Wave just lets your opponent pay some life to keep the board state exactly the same. It doesn't help you to 'control the situation' - in fact it does the opposite. It gives control to your opponent. If you're behind in a game and you want to even it up, when you play this card the opponent will just take the life hit and then carry on as normal, you then have to choose whether to take a life hit or get rid of your own creatures. Thoroughly unproductive.
If you're ahead.... then you don't need board clear at all.
There's a reason this card doesn't see professional play and has a far lower rating on gatherer than Mutilate - it's just not good.
March 9, 2013 4:45 p.m.
Stillabris says... #20
Killing Wave is in the deck because i can sacrifice creatures that trigger effects. Say i have 2 Blood Artists and a Geralf's Messenger and some other creatures, i can use all my mana and then play Killing Wave for one and sac everything i need to win. But Mutilate is in the board and is an amazing card that i side in versus decks that run alot of creatures.
March 9, 2013 5:05 p.m.
So you're literally just using it to take advantage of Blood Artist?
March 9, 2013 5:08 p.m.
Stillabris says... #22
To some extent, yes. But you'd be surprised hoe many matches it has won me. In a board stall for example.
March 9, 2013 5:10 p.m.
Duress is mainly used against control or decks that utilize pillar to knock out crawler and geralf's. Not alot people run pillar main, so duress kinda is dead. Great for game 2. For being an aggro deck, mikeas is awful. Killing eave is good, but mutilate is better.
March 9, 2013 5:32 p.m.
I playtested this deck against a Simic deck and lost 3 times in a row. I don't know why that is or if there's something wrong with the strategy that I played it, or if I just didn't see some of the combos that you put in here. Nonetheless, I lost.
RedCloud2012 says... #1
Also forget app for brains and run pithing needle for pesky planeswalkers.
February 17, 2013 2:22 p.m.