Where is the Dungrove Elder or Timber Protector ?

Dungrove Elder doesn't do much on his own or have any utility. Sure hexproof is good, but all he does is get chumped unless card:Rogue's Passage is around.

I see little to no utility with Timber Protector . Making my forests indestructible doesn't mean anything when most single land destruction is saved for nonbasic utility lands, and the only mass LD in my meta is Cataclysm , which is force sac. Also he only protects other Treefolk which the only other one in the deck is Woodfall Primus .

Natural Order ALL THE RAGE

MORE LANDS!!!

Call the deck LandsharkAlso Pattern of Rebirth is a good green card.

@m12fox Nah, I think I'm good on lands.

@Kamina hmm. It is, but it also an aura. People will destroy the aura and not the creature. Natural Order is a better choice in this manner since saccing a creature is part of the cost and is affected by Boseiju, Who Shelters All .

Wow gay

What is the attraction to Azusa, Lost but Seeking ? I have always seen Omnath, Locus of Mana to be better as you are not dropping land after land after land and losing all inkling of advantage

If you're gonna be generating absurd amounts of green mana, why not use Helix Pinnacle ?

How is playing a lot of lands losing advantage? Card advantage doesn't mean cards in your hands, it means cards you have available to you.

@SnowCoveredRevenge "Playing lands causes you to lose card advantage" said no one ever.

@erabel I used Helix Pinnacle before. I did win with it once. I took it out and it's easier for this deck to win before even getting the Pinnacle to 50. Besides, I found Pinnacle to be a very boring way to win. Genesis Wave on the other hand..

maybe it isn't losing advantage but why play so many lands when you can get the same effect ,

Getting more lands is not the same as floating mana through a turn.

I have no problem with azusa, however I will second the Omnath, Locus of Mana in this debate. I have run my most successful EDH Deck to date with both of these commanders and Omnath wins hands down.

The Green Machine EDH

Maybe you can get some ideas from that but if you are able I would suggest at least trying Omnath out unless you have a lot of things that actually abuse LAND as opposed to just MANA.

Also since you like Land why not Solemn Simulacrum ? It offers a land lots of card advantage AND is colorless in case someone packs anti green or protection heat. I also run Wurmcoil Engine for this reason. It doesn't come up often but I never mind playing these guys either way.

@SnowCoveredRevenge

After Omnath dies and goes back to the command zone (and he will in my meta) my mana pool empties, then what? Omnath is not capable of putting you miles ahead of your opponents as fast as Azusa can. Omnath is required to be on the battlefield for him to have an effect on the game. And I don't feel like using up slots to protect my General

What I'm getting at is: Floating mana is nice, but lands are forever.

@LittleBlueHero I have no beef with Omnath either. I love Omnath, but I built this deck with Azusa as the general in mind.

As for the suggestions, I'm ramping fast enough as it is, Solemn Simulacrum wouldn't really contribute to the deck. I am using Wurmcoil Engine already, and as for green hate and protection, I have Duplicant and Quicksilver Amulet to get by Iona and counter magic.

Awesome,

Thats great then, I figured you had her in mind when you built it. You are right of course that you have to put protection in your deck when playing the Locus. In my meta we have all agreed not to play cards like Iona (even though i also run a mono white angel deck) so I don't run into that problem as often :)

Another question I have is that with the number of sorceries and instants you have do you ever really miss on a genesis wave? (if you decide to cast lower than 50 lol) I have been thinking about running it but I also run a lot of non-permanents (protection for omnath etc.) Your deck runs the most non-permanents out of any deck I have seen running it so I thought it might be worth asking.

Good. I'm glad we've come to an agreement that Omnath and Azusa and both different strategies and both are good in each other's. That's the magic of mono green.

I have not missed with Genesis Wave. Not once. Mainly because you don't stop if you hit an instant or sorcery like Primal Surge does. The minimum I do it for is 11 so that I don't miss my Ulamog, the Infinite Gyre or Worldspine Wurm if they come up.. My average Genesis Wave casts are 15-20. It's definitely worth trying out.

Here's a hidden achievement. Primal Surge for everything left in your deck leaving a library of 0.

Also, on the discussion of Omnath, Locus of Mana dying if you have ways of flashcasting him or recursion at instant speed the mana will not dump from the pool as long as you are in the same phase. Cards of note: Nim Deathmantle , Yeva, Nature's Herald , and Aluren . There are other options, but those are the 3 that I run in Rollover Minutes.

My only issue with Azusa, Lost but Seeking is that you are kind of forced to run an absurdly high land count if you are going to be making full use of her ability, Omnath, Locus of Mana doesn't have that restriction, making room for all that land means that you have to cut utility from the deck to support it. That being said, Lost in the Woods IS a thing and with Sylvan Library controlling your topdeck it can be a very brutal strategy.

I did not mean to ignite a debate on your wall, that being said Ezuri, Renegade Leader is the best green general lols sorry

Primal Surge will not be in the deck. I gave it a test run after it was released and it never performed as well as Genesis Wave does ..Mainly because I have to be pretty damn lucky to Primal Surge for more than 10 without hitting a instant or sorcery..

I don't think you're required to run an absurd amount of lands for Azusa. I find that 40 does fine for me and that can't be defined as absurd.

I was going to use Omnath as my general but I found Azusa fit my tastes for dropping lands.

Aluren is fairly risky to use since there are a few three mana generals in my meta including, but not limited to Kemba, Kha Regent and Jenara, Asura of War .

And I agree, Ezuri, Renegade Leader is the best Green general...for Elf tribal.

Indeed, carry on good sir, your deck looks like loads of fun

I'd classify 40 as overkill in almost any other deck, with Azusa or Borborygmos Enraged it's normal.

I wasn't suggesting a change in general or that you run any of the cards mentioned for protection, just giving examples of ways to make Omnath decks harder to deal with.

Almost every instant/sorcery in mono green EDH can be replaced by a permanent in my experience, if you were to do so you might be able to use Primal Surge but that's all up to your prerogative.

Have you considered any of the following? Garruk Wildspeaker , Lost in the Woods , Blightsteel Colossus , Lurking Predators , Survival of the Fittest , or Elvish Piper .

Garruk Wildspeaker was in the deck before, but I really didn't need him, so he was taken out.

Lost in the Woods to me seems like a gamble since my ramp spells pull basic lands from my library leaving me with a less and less chance of Lost being of use.

I don't really like Blightsteel Colossus . Its exclusion is a personal choice, and I find that I have a plenty of other large dudes already.

I have Lurking Predators on the sidelines if Tooth and Nail ever gets banned.

Survival of the Fittest was considered for the deck before, but I left it out since it was no different from Fauna Shaman , which has been cut from the deck a while ago. The deck functions perfectly well without them.

I find that Elvish Piper isn't as good as Quicksilver Amulet . the Amulet being here to get around Iona, Shield of Emeria for whenever she pops up, avoid countermagic, and for dropping dude s at instant speed after a wrath or something. You can argue that Piper is almost the same, but it doesn't get around Iona if Iona is already on the field, gets wrathed along with my other creatures, and gets that thing called Sumoning Sickness.

I really like your use of recycle +1