Grenzo, Dungeon Warden - The Slot Machine of Value

Commander / EDH snowfox54119

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snowfox54119 says... #1

I really would recommend against planeswalkers (the only exception being Liliana, Heretical Healer  Flip) since they are not recurrable by any means and will just dilute your flips.

The only discard outlet I've found that I've ever even considered is Skirge Familiar because it provides a discard outlet while also doing exactly what the deck wants, generating mana for more flips.

February 27, 2019 9:25 a.m.

Senserazer says... #2

Ashnod's Altar + Nim Deathmantle + Goblin Marshal

I flipped marshal onto the field an altar a deathmantle on board. Sac'd his 2 goblins to float 4 colorless, sac'd marshal for another 2 colorless and another 2 goblin tokens, paid 4 to bring him back with deathmantle. Rinse and repeat.

March 2, 2019 10:45 a.m.

snowfox54119 says... #3

Senserazer, yep! This is possible with any creature that makes 2+ tokens. I don't include every possible one because there's a lot of them.

March 4, 2019 10:31 a.m.

Senserazer says... #4

Just went infinite with that combination on T3 following a but draw, pretty much your list. Was sweet. Only missing a few cards, and considering a few changes. Think I'll really enjoy this deck!

March 4, 2019 3:41 p.m.

snowfox54119 says... #5

Senserazer, it definitely is an explosive force and has earned a reputation at my table as well. I'm glad you like the deck :)

March 6, 2019 4:25 p.m.

Senserazer says... #6

I just found the last cards I need for my own version, once they're in house and sleeved up, I'll post a link to my version on here.

March 7, 2019 2:06 a.m.

Kayoz says... #7

Thoughts on Desecrated Tomb in the deck?

March 22, 2019 12:47 p.m.

snowfox54119 says... #8

Hey Kayoz, there's a two primary reasons I've left it out of the list:

  1. It's effect isn't terribly powerful. We already have token generators off of Pitiless Plunderer and Pawn of Ulamog and their tokens translate directly into mana for more flips. So you need Ashnod's Altar to make the Desecrated Tomb good, and even then, I'd rather just get one of the previous two creatures I mentioned instead.

  2. It's a noncreature artifact. So including it has the chance of messing up flips more and since the effect isn't all that powerful in and of itself (as described above) it's not worth muddying the waters for.

March 22, 2019 3:21 p.m.

StopShot says... #9

I don't know if you know this, but you can still win the game with Murderous Mimic without a sac outlet. Let's say you have the Murderous Redcap , Metallic Mimic & lastly either Judith, the Scourge Diva or Zulaport Cutthroat . If the redcap enters the battlefield last you can have its etb target itself killing it. This in turn allows the redcap to continuously sacrifice itself to its etb while Judith or the Cutthroat kills your opponents.

March 25, 2019 7:18 a.m.

snowfox54119 says... #10

StopShot, that is definitely true and I have utilized this combo before. I feel like it can be classified as a separate combo since it requires a death-triggered pinger instead of a sac outlet. I'll work on adding the additional combo in there since I think it's worth explaining.

March 25, 2019 9:42 a.m.

We should talk about how damn good this deck suddenly becomes as soon as Magic online implements the "London Mulligan"

Instead of mulling randomly into increasingly fewer cards, Grenzo now gets to mull to seven cards and then STACK THE BOTTOM OF HIS DECK with cards from his hand.

Since this rule was implemented in the "testing" phase I have been mulling to 2 - 4 cards, looking for 2 land and ramp, then putting cards on the bottom of my deck in whatever order I feel like. It's pretty great to know exactly what your first 3-5 flips are.

April 12, 2019 12:31 a.m.

snowfox54119 says... #12

JustcallmeSoul, Oh my word yes. I've been telling my entire playgroup, this mulligan rule is such an additional boon to this deck (like it needed one).

Being able to literally plan your first couple of flips is crazy strong.

April 12, 2019 5:23 p.m.

snowfox54119 my last game I played was glorious, as I mulled to 3 the other plays all said "rip dude that sucks" but then I topdecked Mana crypt (which I run instead of Sol ring), ashinod altar, and reito lantern back to back with imperial recruiter on the bottom of my deck and 2 lands + heartstone in hand. Was a quick game and we got to play another. It doesn't really speed the deck up, but it does help a player make plans and ensure that their first few flips aren't dead cards which goes a long way for Grenzo.

April 12, 2019 7:19 p.m.

apohl13 says... #14

Hey snowfox54119, so I've been playing with this deck for a couple months now, and have really started to get a feel for it. One question I had for you, though, is what is your experience with Goblin Sharpshooter ? I've gotten it out in several games, but each time it seems underwhelming. I'm considering replacing it with an Avalanche Riders . Is there something I'm missing about Sharpshooter? Would I be making a huge mistake to take it out?

April 22, 2019 7:22 p.m.

snowfox54119 says... #15

apohl13, I would never consider taking this card out. It becomes invaluable with all of the saccing that I do in my own list, and it's so easy to clean out troublesome creatures on my opponents' side of the board. It's not as strong as Thoctar, but it's close to it's powerlevel and has definitely been the source of several wins for me.

I even had a game recently where someone cast Merciless Eviction on my filled out board, so I used Sharpshooter to kill off all of my own creatures (I was lacking a sac outlet) and set up an explosive Balthor the Defiled followup turn. I may have sentimental value towards the card since it's helped me win so many games, but I still think it's one of the strongest cards in the deck.

April 24, 2019 12:10 a.m.

apohl13 says... #16

Hey there it's me again! Have you considered Goblin Trashmaster ? I forgot this card existed, but it seems like a pretty amazing card to slot in. Thoughts?

June 24, 2019 8:14 p.m.

apohl13 says... #17

I would probably play trashmaster over Tuktuk Scrapper . And while I'm at it, Sling-Gang Lieutenant seems like a perfect fit.

June 24, 2019 8:20 p.m.

apohl13 says... #18

After some thought I slotted in sling gang lieutenant over Furystoke Giant . They provide a similar role, but I haven't loved furystoke in the past

June 24, 2019 8:32 p.m.

snowfox54119 says... #19

Glad to hear from you again, apohl13! I actually did have Trashmaster in an earlier version of the list, but chose to remove him because of the lack of immediate impact. However, I do still keep a copy on hand in case I ever change my mind.

And I agree, Sling-Gang Lieutenant is a perfect inclusion as well as Goblin Engineer . I still have some updates I need to post to this list and these two will be on the newest version.

June 28, 2019 11:08 a.m.

Hi there man! I just love your deck and my playgroup is having a lot of fun with it!

I have included Sling-Gang Lieutenant and Warteye Witch and they have been working great for me. I'm also thinking about playtesting Feldon of the Third Path , which looks good in this deck. I was curious about your opinion regarding that card?

Balthor the Defiled also looks pretty nice (he is one of my favorite cards in all Magic since I was a kid, so my judgment could be wrong) and Bomat Courier could be fun (maybe not strong, but for sure fun!).

Thanks again for sharing your list man! Cheers

August 7, 2019 12:30 p.m.

ronniesporch says... #21

The new commander set has two gems. Dockside Extortionist and Chainer, Nightmare Adept.

August 8, 2019 9:21 p.m.

nitato says... #22

What's up with the seven Phyrexian Delver and nine Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth ? I assume you meant those to be the basics?

August 17, 2019 10:07 a.m.

ComGree9 says... #23

No Read the Bones I think this card is a really good bottom deck fixer.

August 19, 2019 9:09 p.m.

ComGree9 says... #24

nitato it says 9 swamps 7 mountains on my end. im pretty sure it always has. I looked at this list a month ago anyway. Or its at least fixed now lmao.

August 19, 2019 9:18 p.m.

snowfox54119 says... #25

ComGree9, we really want to avoid noncreature cards as much as possible. That's why we don't run obviously powerful instants and sorceries; it goes against the main philosophy of the deck.

WhaleProfessor, Sling-Gang definitely is an amazing addition to the deck as well as Goblin Engineer. Both have been included in the recent update to the list. The other two are great includes if you want to personalize your list. I use Balthor in my more casual version anyways.

nitato, it looked like a weird TappedOut error. When I went to edit the decklist, the numbers were on the basics and when I saved it, the error fixed itself. Weird...

August 26, 2019 3:50 p.m.

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