grenzo x=1

Commander / EDH jco

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jco says... #1

  • magus of the wheel
March 1, 2017 4:22 p.m.

jco says... #2

hero's sword seems more necessary in this build

mana echoes needs to be revisited, depending on what the creature types look like

March 1, 2017 4:27 p.m.

jco says... #3

I'm wondering if the goblins are worth it at all (except the real utility ones).

Do I want to pay 3 for a goblin king? or just go for grenzo? I should add the creatures I think are good enough and see

March 1, 2017 4:31 p.m.

jco says... #4

imperial recruiter lets me get answers... they'll be expensive to cast, but it's probably worth it (artifact destruction, land destruction, etc)

March 1, 2017 4:35 p.m.

jco says... #5

It could get duplicant, for example, to get a black creature...

March 1, 2017 4:38 p.m.

jco says... #6

So, I think the tack we take is imperial recruiter, and then leave just enough utility creatures... so avalanche riders, nekrataal, and tuk tuk, so that I can remove shit if necessary?

March 2, 2017 10:56 a.m.

jco says... #7

I don't think clone shell is good enough... that could be a mistake!

March 2, 2017 11:25 a.m.

jco says... #8

oof, damnation out, but I feel like if I have to cast it I have lost.

March 2, 2017 11:32 a.m.

jco says... #9

Consider taking Reito lantern out for... a land? Another creature?

March 4, 2017 12:02 a.m.

jco says... #10

Possessed barbarian seems strong. 4/4 first strike with Saskia killing. But go through them all...

March 4, 2017 12:04 a.m.

jco says... #11

The ETB creature sacs are good. Probably take out one of the ETB destroy non blacks and reito lantern

I continue to want posessed barbarian.

March 4, 2017 9:46 a.m.

jco says... #12

I think the ETB sacs are quite good, actually... they affect everyone, and they can come back, and will never get mine.

OUT

  • Reito Lantern

  • Dakmor Lancer

IN

  • Fleshbag Marauder

  • Merciless Executioner

March 4, 2017 1:46 p.m.

jco says... #13

I think something should be cut for a tarnished citadel

March 4, 2017 4:37 p.m.

jco says... #14

goblin welder seems pretty important... it can trade an artifact in play with one that gets dumped (crucible, soldevi digger).

I also think the tarnished citadel will be useful

IN

  • tarnished citadel

  • goblin welder

OUT

  • swiftfoot boots (the mana cost is too expensive, need it to be a viable T2 drop)

  • crypt ghast (seems way, way too situational)

March 4, 2017 9:52 p.m.

jco says... #15

imperial seal is actually pretty good in the deck... since there is so little draw/tutor, being able to go even jsut get a mana crypt for early ramp/grenzo activations is quite strong

March 4, 2017 10:01 p.m.

jco says... #16

Ok, so the thought is...

OUT

  • swamp

  • rakdos charm

IN

  • imperial seal

  • bojuka bog

yes, we lose the charm, but we do have more artifact d than before and the imperial recriuter and tutor to get them, and we can tutor for the bojuka bog

March 4, 2017 10:03 p.m.

jco says... #17

Heh, consider simian spirit guide... it could give me grenzo a turn earlier, and at least it is a creature.

March 4, 2017 10:14 p.m.

jco says... #18

Ok, so, there are 3 cards I really like. Something I need to sort of think about/deal with is the fact that the creatures in my hand will often sit there, as I'll prefer to activate grenzo. Thus, I'm underutilizing that.

  • Liliana, Heretical Healer

This seems really great... can bring back important stuff, and also discard (which hurts me less than others, generally)

  • Skirge familiar

Let's me use my hand as a resource to ramp, AND let's me discard a beater so that it can be put under the library and cast!

  • Simian Spirit Guide

Let's me ramp

I think the first two are very much worth testing.

March 5, 2017 12:52 a.m.

jco says... #19

OUT

  • dark hatchling (seems expensive, and I think duplicant and bone shredder cover most of my cases -- and are imperial recruiterable -- as do the sac dudes)

  • crystal ball (I just never want to cast it... I feel like I'd rather have clone shell or even the lantern)

IN

  • Liliana, Heretical Healer

  • Skirge familiar

At what point do I not have enough artifacts to support the goblin welder? Will see in practice (esp see if it is hateful against opponents)

March 5, 2017 1:03 a.m.

jco says... #20

There is a general open question though: are there other creatures that can make use of my hand? Either by hosing others more than it hoses me to discard, or effect like skirge familiar's?

March 5, 2017 1:15 a.m.

jco says... #21

Interesting draw card:- the dark ritual guy- mad prophet (discard to draw)

My fear is anything tap based is too slow. At least skirge is still a 3/2 flyer!

Notorious assasin is getting closer... THAT could be tech.

Need to see how it works out in practice. Thus far mad prophet seems the most interesting to me!

March 5, 2017 1:20 a.m.

jco says... #22

Treasonous ogre is another possibility. Hmmmmmm!

March 5, 2017 1:23 a.m.

jco says... #23

Treasure keeper?!

Phyrexian delver. Hmmmm.

March 5, 2017 1:31 a.m.

jco says... #24

I feel like xiahou dun is not long for the world. I don't know if he is better than the above. We've eliminated black cards and added tutors, delver seems strictly better!

March 5, 2017 1:32 a.m.

jco says... #25

OUT

xiahou dun

IN

Phyrexian delver

March 5, 2017 1:42 a.m.

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