KillTheIslandUser says... #3
AAAAH shit. I just wrote down like a 5 page essay to your responses... and I wasn't thinking and thought I opened a new window to look at something..... gg wp..
I'll do a TL;DR though and if you have questions as to why I'm saying no to those then I'll answer it.
TL;DR
Not enough aoe, to much hate generation on one or 2 of the cards, not reliable on 1 person in multiplayer edh. Some of those cards are only if you are playing heads up EDH, and even still there's better forms of them for what those did. Nemesis is one of the hate generation cards that doesn't equal worth. Mirko Vosk is performing better in every way possible. Psychic Spiral I don't mill myself enough at all to make it work, and I have elixir for throwing shit back into my library and gaining health off it. I can also go back and do it over and over if I need to.
Also yeah I'm currently playtesting rogues passage atm, and it's not doing bad, but it's one of those I'm holding onto it waiting to play it correctly to fuck with people. Like I play mirko, next turn play rogue's and then boom go through with dmg, and with mind crank out they mill a decent amount of cards easily 10+ sometimes. I once killed a guy off with it but that was once in like 15 games. He also was playing an enchantress deck and helped milled himself anyways with how much he was drawing as well. So yeah, most his lands were on the field, and he wasn't really looking at me as a threat cause I was slow playing shit in the beginning realizing his general was sisay, and there was a bunch of other generals out on the field.
The only one I'm not yet sure about which I need to play test, and it's not that I forget about it, but I forget to play test it cause other stuff comes up I'd much rather try first, and that is sanity grinding. The reason being is if I play mad scientist, in this deck, then I also have to play a few other cards and change around my whole deck. I have tunnel vision though atm, and that is another way I could win con out. So I'll end up trying it soonish. Thanks for the comments though guys.
*btw I had like 100x's this in replies lol this is just my quickly pound out a quick reason why. There was way more to it before.
March 16, 2014 8:33 p.m.
DimirZer00 says... #4
I see Sanity Grinding as a 50/50 with this deck. due to it's cost of three Islands.But, it could still work.
and your right Nemesis of Reason is really hated card.
March 16, 2014 8:43 p.m.
KillTheIslandUser says... #5
Sanity Grinding is going to require me to change cards around, but I'll play test with it, cause I've kinda always wanted Laboratory Maniac in here... as an additional fun card to play and wincon
March 16, 2014 9:08 p.m.
KillTheIslandUser says... #6
Also let me state why I say this, because it doesn't mill you, but with tunnel vision this would be combo'd with it. I would know what's on the bottom of my deck, then I could just mill myself one and on the end of some one else's turn, and on my turn I draw into nothing.. win game. GG
March 16, 2014 9:12 p.m.
Quadsimotto says... #7
Nemesis of Reason and Sword of Body and Mind .. errrr but not being very experienced at EDH i do not know if you would be able to keep the wolf token from the sword since it doesnt jive with your commander's colors.
March 16, 2014 9:25 p.m.
KillTheIslandUser says... #8
Sword and body would let me have a green wolf token, but if sword and body had a casting cost of green or something outside my colors, then no. Also nemesis is to much a hate generating card, and it doesn't mill usually ever unless I give it haste, if it even makes it to the table. If it does, they just spot remove it once it resolves. Mirko does more and isn't as seemingly threatening.
Edh is all about politics and doing what's best for the overall health of the game. If some guy is just fucking up everyone on his own, he's a huge target for the remainder. It's supposed to be a fun relaxing game, and be casual in a sense, but a lot of times it gets cutthroat as fuck. So Mirko Vosk usually gets me more cards milled anyways, so I stay with him, as they would rather deal with something else on the playfield than him.
Having hate generating cards are fine, but only if you know it's gonna be more worth than loss. That is more a loss for me than gain, also same with sword, well actually sword just plain doesn't work in this deck.
If you look at my creatures, they aren't even there to attack most of the time, it's more for their effects, and if I need to they can attack. Basically edh = does it have more than 1 use? Ok fine, cool, but can it synergize with the rest of my deck? If yes, then it's most likely ok, but the last question you have to ask yourself is this. Is it worse than what I have to get rid of for it? If so then no don't put it in. Sword is just that, can it do some cool shit? Yeah sure, but is it good for what I have to take out? No it's not. Also who am I going to throw it on? My Consuming Aberration ? Sure I could do that, but now it's just like.. ok instakill. Before it was wow.. what a big creature you have there....can I keep chump blocking it? Ok np not a threat. With sword... it's more than a threat now.. it's a HOLY FUCK WE GOTTA GO AT HIM AS A GROUP TARGET! and I can only handle so many people coming at me at for so long.
Edh is a different breed. It's SUPER fun, but super political. You also have to have a good card knowledge to play it correctly. Cards like Mind Slaver are legit cards to play, and if you just play it for no reason.... why bother? Some decks don't need it, some decks do. Also if you don't know how this Grixis control deck works... you might not do anything bad to him, instead hurt yourself in return. You might piss off someone, and then they come at you, as does the grixis control deck player. The 3rd guy might be like.. ok no point helping out that guy... just get rid of him, he's bad lol and I can't bother helping him to in return help me.
March 16, 2014 9:52 p.m.
Quadsimotto says... #9
gotchya.. Like i said.. Not very experienced at EDH. In fact.. Have never played the format.. I have several of the pre- packaged decks at home and a home brew i built here but just never have the time to play other than at FNMs with my standard stuff. I will say thank you for the insight though. It will be something to think about if i ever find myself at that particular table.
March 16, 2014 10:07 p.m.
Godhead of Awe might work wonders with your general, as it makes the tokens you generate very strong.Also there is always the possibility of the Grindstone + Painter's Servant combo
March 17, 2014 12:27 a.m.
KillTheIslandUser says... #11
COWPOWER painter's server is banned in edh.... can't play it.
March 17, 2014 1:48 a.m.
KillTheIslandUser says... #12
ooh yeah also it has white in it's symbols... can't use it.. as my colors are blue black for the Godhead of Awe
March 17, 2014 1:54 a.m.
Have you considered running Sands of Delirium ? Works well with the Mill theme you have going and is always a good way to dump any untapped mana at the end of your opponents turn. +1
March 17, 2014 4:11 a.m.
KillTheIslandUser I've just started theorizing about EDH and completly forgot about the mana symbols. And also feel pretty stupid I forgot to check the legality of painter's serverThanks for correcting me
March 17, 2014 10:20 a.m.
Have you considered Duskmantle Guildmage and Mindcrank to make an opponent mill their entire deck.
March 17, 2014 10:46 a.m.
KillTheIslandUser says... #16
COWPOWER np just letting you know, we all make mistakes.
Skunk I have, wasn't doing well enough with it, and I found other ways to do it atm that isn't so easy to see.
Sands of delirium seems redundant with the mill I have already.
March 17, 2014 7:25 p.m.
I personally hate this card, but it's a mill land, so might want to look at it - Nephalia Drownyard .
March 18, 2014 8:59 p.m.
KillTheIslandUser says... #18
xantos It's not standard, and it's to much mana to only mill 3 for in group edh. There's better cards for it. Thanks though for the suggestion and +1. There's more effective cards to mill some one with 3 mana, and for more than 3.
March 18, 2014 9:03 p.m.
Yeah, you just said that you wanted mill lands so that's why I suggested it... I guess that's the card that you said was awful in the description.
March 18, 2014 9:06 p.m.
KillTheIslandUser says... #20
Np it's cool, and yeah I actually need to change that part of the description, that is old. So my bad for that one, but yeah thanks though for suggestion. I also +1'd your deck cause it made me laugh. R/B control in standard and it looks fun (I've seen seen plenty of Grixis Control, but R/B on it's own is legit lol)
March 18, 2014 9:10 p.m.
FYI: Notion Thief can be a very dangerous card to play with. It has no may condition on it. If an opponent plays Consecrated Sphinx they may choose to mill you out instantly with it.
Life's Finale is a good sweeper for mill. Especially paired with Leyline of the Void
March 19, 2014 12:09 p.m.
DreamGoddessLindsey says... #22
Phenax, God of Deception seems like a necessary piece for this deck. Good concept.
March 24, 2014 4:24 p.m.
KillTheIslandUser says... #23
I originally had him in there.. but I don't have the walls to make him useful, and if I do add walls, I'm better off just throwing him in as the general. I might make him a general one day for a different deck. I also only have like.. 9 creatures not including my general. That being said, yeah if it wasn't for his mill ability the way it played out.. I would.
March 24, 2014 4:29 p.m.
KillTheIslandUser says... #25
bluecraney it only mills 2.. this does nothing even in heads up edh .... this is multiplayer EDH... 2 is nothing.. and will literally help them, and it costs me 2 mana. I can play mind grind, and mill whole table... Or jace beleran, rings of brighthearth, then windfall and completely mill everyone.
That is only good in standard and only standard.. not even modern wants that. When standard goes away.. that card will go into the bin of never seeing play from anyone ever again.
See my point? Single target effects have to be BIG.... or don't play it at all.
DimirZer00 says... #1
Nice. But, needs some work. In my opinion the two enhancements you should be looking at are Curse of the Bloody Tome & Memory Erosion . without question. there very helpful when it comes to mill deck.The same could be said about the Instant and Sorcery Mind Funeral , Psychic Spiral and Sanity Grinding .
and I agree; Nemesis of Reason would fit nicely here. Plus, he's a really fun card
March 16, 2014 3:51 p.m.