Gruul Monsters / Burn

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DrFuzzyGloves says... #1

Somnus21 yeah, i'd rather have an actual threat. most people haste fanatic. so lets do some quick math here.

T1 fanatic deals 4, rabble deals 1

T2 fanatic deals 3, rabble deals 6

T3 fanatic deals 3, rabble deals 7

so if they both last 2 turns, which is normal, they break even, only fanatic is more likely to get a few more damage in due to trample. if a rabble can last 3 turns completely unanswered, then yeah, rabble is better. how often does that even happen?, also rabble is extremely easy to chump block (no trample) and anything with 2 power (which a lot of smaller guys have) will kill him when they block it. i see fanatics outlast rabbles everytime. plus if i get a Bow of Nylea out fanatics damage is hard to prevent (trample just says you have to do lethal damage and rest is direct, with deathtouch lethal damage is 1 so you hit them for the rest). i just havent ever seen a rabble and though "damnit.... what now?", i've thought that about fanatic though. infact i laugh about every time i see rabble knowing it was a waste of 3 mana and $18 or whatever the overpriced guy is now.

December 30, 2014 8:30 p.m.

Somnus21 says... #2

Yeah, I did not waste my cash on overpriced Rabble. I got my playset back in prerelease days for like 1$ each :P

December 30, 2014 9:36 p.m.

DrFuzzyGloves says... #3

nice

December 30, 2014 10:09 p.m.

This is really a great deck build but i noticed that you said Bow of Nylea is the only enchantment when Courser of Kruphix is one too. You obviously know your stuff and probably figured that out already but I thought I would point it out just in case. All the same, I would really like your input on my Xenagos Tribute if you ever get the chance.

January 1, 2015 1:53 p.m.

DrFuzzyGloves says... #5

sonicshadow1296 haha, yeah, when i made that description i hadn't put in courser yet, its why i have less Back to Nature now. ill check it out when i have more time. about to leave.

January 1, 2015 2:04 p.m.

Alright, thanks DrFuzzyGloves, I really appreciate it haha

January 1, 2015 2:08 p.m.

I have a question about a ruling. If you have out Bow of Nylea and you monstrous polukranos, does the deathtouch carry over to his ability? So you could essentially take out bigger people with just 1 damage?

January 4, 2015 5:55 p.m.

DrFuzzyGloves says... #8

sonicshadow1296, yes it does. "any amount of damage this deals to a creature is enough to destroy it", so it isnt specific to combat damage. this is why Setessan Tactics and Hornet Nest/Hornet Queen are stupid good combos. you can monsterous 4 poluk though and deal 1 damage to each of 4 creatures and kill them all while attacking.

January 4, 2015 6:37 p.m.

Thanks. I was just wondering because I thought it had to be combat damage

January 4, 2015 10:57 p.m.

what do you think about Satyr Hedonist as a mana dork?

January 12, 2015 9:02 p.m.

DrFuzzyGloves says... #11

sonicshadow1296 i did try him for a bit, but he gets killed everytime, and i found him to be unreliable. consistancy matters more.

January 12, 2015 9:39 p.m.

DukeSteele says... #12

I just built your deck and play tested it a bit, it seems pretty sweet! I will take it to my club tonite and let you know how it does.

My only worry is that my meta I'd full of people brutally spamming hand destruction and board removal. I would usually use Ranger's Guile to preserve my boardstate as a 2 or 3 of... but I'm gonna try it your way!

The only change I made to your build was only 3 Stormbreath and +1 Hornet nest (I only own 3 stormies).

January 14, 2015 3:38 p.m.

DukeSteele says... #13

*is full of people

Typo fml

January 14, 2015 3:39 p.m.

DrFuzzyGloves says... #14

Discard is something I don't see at my venue DukeSteele so I can't vouge for that matchup. Don't forget you can claw your own nest for hornets. Side in all the burn vs heavy removal a and side out storm. It helps keep damage streaming. Good luck.

January 14, 2015 5:20 p.m.

DukeSteele says... #15

Ok feedback!

SO... I only ended up having one opponent as everyone wanted to play Commander, BUT we did have like 8 games and he used two different decks. One deck was Sultai with Villanous Wealth style, the other was red/blue artifact deck that was basically burn and pumping artifacts with Ghostfire Blade or Ensoul Artifact etc.

I went 7/1 with your deck. The only hand i lost i kept a hand i should have mulliganed.. but i still won that game in 3. So basically undefeated.

So talking points;

1) Xenagos, the RevelerDespite running 3 i didn't draw him for a couple of games, but when i did play him he was an absolute BEAST. I had been playing Fanatic of Xenagos nice and fast so i was able to swiftly make alot of mana with him to Crater's Claws for numbers like 8, 9 and even 11 in one game. Really good. Also once you have a big board he is making enough mana to basically freecast all your fatties. I ultimated him a couple of times which was amazing.

2) Fanatic of XenagosThis guy was the star for sure, fast brutal trampler. Coupled with the fact your deck design often gives a couple of burn spells in a starting hand you can do alot of damage by turn 3/4. Many times i got to do this;

T1: ForestT2: Mountain, CaryatidT3: Forest, Fanatic of Xenagos, Crater's Claws with ferocious for 2 then swing if they gave you haste.

Genesis Hydra i did not draw too often but both times i did he was really good, totally relevant to your overall gameplan and with the planeswalker involved and a lucky Rattleclaw Mystic had no trouble casting him for 8 mana in the mid game.

Sarkhan, the Dragonspeaker + Stormbreath DragonThese two won me over half of the games. Just fast and brutal. I managed to drop them on turn 4 a couple of times. Sarkhan's removal ability is just like holding another Stoke the Flames and you have enough board presence to protect him pretty well.

Polukranos, World EaterDid a TONNE of work, you have just the right mana combination to get nice numbers out of him. I monstroused him for 9 mana in one game without too much trouble, taking out a Rakshasa Vizier that was about to become a 9/9 due to Dig Through Time.

Bow of NyleaSo much value. I used its healing mode mostly but putting +1/+1 counters on a hornet every turn was fun as well, great card for the deck offering excellent utility.

The Burn: everything was great. At first i wasn't sure about the absense of Magma Jet for beneficial Scrying but you have enough creatures to Stoke the Flames nice and easy.

To summarise the deck can kill an opponent in turns 5-7 quite regularly, but has enough burn and impactful flying threat to close out a game that has stalled. I obviously need to pressure test it against scarier decks like Mardu aggro, Green devotion and Abzan Mid but still, it is pretty awesome.

Gonna run it at FNM this week.

I give it 5 stars.

January 15, 2015 2 a.m.

DrFuzzyGloves says... #16

haha, i'm really glad it worked for you DukeSteele. one thing i might recomend, is swapping some rattles for Elvish Mystic. when FRF hits, the meta is gonna shift to a faster pace. i already made that change to my Temur Monsters / Burn, but havent been keeping up on this deck like i should be. This deck just pumps power. ill update the list to what i would run but feel free to make changes as you see fit based on your local meta. at my venue speed hasnt been to prominent so i was able to run slower safer rampers. with Elvish Mystic there is a good possibility of landing a turn 3 Sarkhan, the Dragonspeaker or Stormbreath Dragon. thats puts an abscene amount of pressure on an opponent.

January 15, 2015 9:03 a.m.

DrFuzzyGloves says... #17

DukeSteele, I'm curious to how the deck performed for you if you did take it to FNM? I kept having consistency issues with it, so I'm trying completely new strategies for a bit before game day. So far I'm most impressed with 2 decks. 1 I just put up yesterday, Mono-Green Divebomb and the other is a temur burn/control deck I'm working on that's coming in nicely. Uses knuckleblade, coursers, anger, and keranos to deal persistent damage while giving good card advantage. Then the plethora of red burn, blue draw and counter to finish games out. Its a huge work in progress but I'd putting out results in its early stages so I can only imagine after its refined what it will do.

February 3, 2015 8:14 a.m.

DukeSteele says... #18

For me it worked great at FNM, the only opponents i struggled with were Abzan/Sultai lifegain strategies. I am seriously considering running mainboard enchantment removal. I am feeling like waiting until game 2 to be able to remove whip or a siege card is too long! The deck won most games with early aggro, or in longer situations Sarkhan, the Dragonspeaker and See the Unwritten were the savior cards.

With your deck i am wondering if it is worth running Courser as a 2 of. For me its usually most effective as a 3 or 4 of or none at all. You could always try the new ferocious phoenix card if you drop the coursers and 1 other card.

In my meta two valuable sideboard cards:

Barrage of Boulders kills token armies or locks them down for you to swing for the win.

Wild Slash helps against Deflecting Palm or rogue fog effects.

February 4, 2015 11:27 a.m.

DrFuzzyGloves says... #19

DukeSteele, those were all great suggestions. I like every single one. Just haven't been keeping up on this deck though. Need to take a minute someday to do that.

February 4, 2015 12:25 p.m.

How would you sideboard against nya?

February 7, 2015 10:51 a.m.

DrFuzzyGloves says... #21

sonicshadow1296, probably enchantment hate. depends on the kind of nya though. g/w typically utilizes a lot of enchantments though.

February 7, 2015 11:24 a.m.

Nah is rgw so it's very different

February 7, 2015 12:32 p.m.

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