Gruul ZadaWolves (EMN - Retired)

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Snorklebottom says... #1

Vandyel maybe I should read closer.

July 29, 2016 4:12 p.m.

clayperce says... #2

Snorklebottom,
Yeah, Confront the Unknown is a great card, and I've been messing with a Zada Clues deck over here if you're interested. But I believe this deck needs the big pump of Might of the Masses more than the card advantage of Confront the Unknown. One important point about the card though, which you may not have seen in the Strategy and Card Choices part of the deck description: The original spell (targeting Zada or Mirrorwing) goes on the bottom. In your example, Zada has to get the +3/+3.

You may not have seen the second paragraph of my deck description either. Zada + Silverfur alone is too fragile for my tastes. And if for some reason I wanted to run just one, as Vandyel explains, Mirrorwing is actually much better than Zada.

Thanks though.

July 29, 2016 4:18 p.m. Edited.

hutthemutt says... #3

You might consider running 4x Eldritch Evolution and then reduce the number of Mirrorwing Dragon or Zada, Hedron Grinder to compensate. In your current deck you would also want to run a 3 drop in addition to Silverfur Partisan because you don't want to sacrifice him in order to pull in Mirrorwing Dragon

So what's the advantage then really--it's not saving you that many spots, if any, and you have to sacrifice a card to get a card. Well twofold benefits really. Number one, if you only have 3 mana out--you can still get Mirrorwing Dragon on the board, or for a two drop sacrifice you could at least get Zada, Hedron Grinder. The second benefit, however, might be more powerful but I haven't fully looked into it. You could run a sideboard with creatures that focus on EOB effects or difficult matchups. For example you could run 1x Smoldering Werewolf  Flip to allow you to remove two pesky 1/1s with special abilities that are killing you. Or maybe only run 1x Kozilek's Return and 1 x Hermit of the Natterknolls  Flip on your sideboard instead of two of them and fill out the other 13 spots with creatures. For example Harbinger of the Hunt might server you better than some of your flying removal on your sideboard.

July 30, 2016 2:18 a.m.

clayperce says... #4

hutthemutt,
Yeah, Eldritch Evolution is a definite possibility. The first time I saw it in a serious build was Vandyel's deck, Silverfur Reflections, and I'm very interested in seeing how it plays IRL. My guess is that it'll be too inconsistent for mainboard ... seems like it would be great against some decks and just a big two-for-one generator for any deck that can run Spell Queller or Negate. As a side note: Based on the card's strong performance at FNM this week, I'm also considering Thunderbreak Regent in the mainboard, over Zada.

I can't really imagine taking much Flyerhate out of my sideboard. There are just way too many Spirits, Angels, and Vamps in Standard at the moment.

Harbinger of the Hunt would be interesting in a RG Ramp or maybe a Control shell. But for this deck? I'm just not sure another five-drop, especially one with expensive abilities, is the best fit.

July 30, 2016 3:35 a.m.

_FxZIONZ_ says... #5

Oml, So i went to my (kinda) local game store (1Hr drive away...) and was able to sell/trade a heap of cards etc, and i bought the rest of the deck that i wasnt able to trade for at the LGS through people and through my friends. I played a game or two today and it is amazing, granted i did change up the spells in both side and main so its more buff over destroy/board wipe spells. A great combo worked well because we were playing 2v2 and we just won the first game, RG landfall + This deck on a team. Then my team mate switched up and decided to use his RG wolves deck which is more aggro over mid-range, and so it was a single 1/3 flier on the enemy team to block and i had mirrorwing, silverfur partisan on the field and my team mate had a lambholt i think, was a turn or two after a board wipe, and i had a brute strength and my mate had a uncaged fury and we targeted mirrorwing with both giving my two creatures +2/+1 and trample and giving mirrorwing and my team mates creature +1/+1 and double strike. As they did not declare blockers we swung for 6+14+6, which by the turn we were on (bout 7 i think) we killed them easily. This deck works a treat. i was meant to buy uncaged fury to mix in with either my side or main, but i think i can wait like week or so and go back.

Thanks for making this deck clayperce

July 31, 2016 10:10 p.m.

Eleros says... #6

Any specific reason why you're running Burn from Within over Fall of the Titans?Would think that with all those cheap spells, Surge shouldn't really be a problem.Fall being an instant seems like a clear advantage but can also burn AND kill a creature.

August 1, 2016 1:06 a.m.

Ryjo says... #8

Burn from Within is for burning creatures with indestructible. So it works on Ormendahl, Profane Prince  Flip, Archangel Avacyn  Flip, Selfless Spirit, etc.

August 1, 2016 1:01 p.m.

Ancit2002 says... #9

With Zada, Hedron Grinder + Mirrorwing Dragon, if you target one with a spell and copy it, and you have both of them out, would you not copy the spell infinitely? I am asking because I am way behind on rulings at the moment.

August 6, 2016 5:34 a.m.

Noctem says... #10

@Ancit2002

No because you aren't considered to have CAST the copies of the spell created.

August 6, 2016 7:47 a.m.

clayperce says... #11

Ancit2002,
You might have missed this in my deck description, under Strategy and Card Choices:

There is no crazy interaction if both Zada, Hedron Grinder and Mirrorwing Dragon are on the battlefield at the same time. The key piece is "Whenever you cast [a spell] that targets only ~ ... copy that spell for each other creature ...". For example, if you cast an Instant or Sorcery that targets only Zada, you copy the spell, targeting Mirrorwing. But since the second spell is copied rather than cast, Mirrorwing's ability won't trigger.

August 6, 2016 10:28 p.m.

Why no Rending Volley?

August 8, 2016 1:03 a.m.

AXMANER says... #13

Just going to say that I usually find the trample from brute strength more helpful than the scry effect of Titan's strength. I guess it's just personal preference tho

August 12, 2016 5:37 a.m.

_FxZIONZ_ says... #14

Out of curiosity why is Rogue's Passage in the deck?? and 3 of them?? I just took them out and replaced them making play sets of Game Trail and Cinder Glade. This makes the deck more consistent with the red spells especially considering there is only 4 basic mountains. I find playing Rogue's Passage was just too inconsistent as it costs soooo much to use its ability. I find i am never mana hosed or got too much mana. It just makes playing a more variety of spells possible as its puts more red mana, whilst not lowering the green mana.

I also found Mirrorwing Dragon to be too high on curve. I either was dying before i would get it out OR the opponent would target it buffing all their dudes. Personally Zada, Hedron Grinder is a much better card as the opponent can not target it to buff all their dudes.

Also Howlpack Resurgence is really good and I am confused as to why it was taken out. It has flash and gives all your wolves +1/+1 and trample for CMC 3.

Uncaged Fury and Woodcutter's Grit are much better buff spells I think because you get the double strike from Uncaged Fury and you get hexproof from Woodcutter's Grit.

Understandably the deck seems to be aggro in your spell list however in your creatures its quite slow. I think if you are going to keep Mirrorwing Dragon you should look into testing Uncaged Fury and Woodcutter's Grit.

These are just suggestions that i found worked really well. Especially for a Wolf Deck. I found that being slow made me lose alot with the current standard meta. Whereas being fast means I can keep up with other decks. Like bant coco humans etc

August 16, 2016 7:25 p.m.

clayperce says... #15

Finally catching up on comments ...

TheColorPurple,
Rending Volley is a great card (at least for a few more days), but was just not as good in my meta as the others in my sideboard.

AXMANER,
Yeah, I like the low low cost (just ) of Titan's Strength though.

_FxZIONZ_,
As you might expect, the Rogue's Passage is there for the Unblockable. I've found that to be priceless as a finisher, which is why I run it as a three-of. And I've never had an issue with fixing. But whatever.
Not sure it's worth discussing my other choices. Glad to hear you found some tweaks that worked for you.

Thanks to all!

September 12, 2016 1:30 a.m. Edited.

clayperce says... #16

I thought some of you might be interested to know: I set up a thread dedicated to building Zada/Mirrorwing, over at Solving Mirrorwing.

Please drop by!

September 22, 2016 7:28 a.m.

stormhammer16 says... #17

Origins isn't standard anymore. Why the origins cards?

November 4, 2016 10:11 a.m.

clayperce says... #18

stormhammer16,
Because it's no longer a Standard deck, lol!

Which is maybe why it says EMN in the title instead of KLD. And why it's tagged as Casual instead of Standard ...

November 4, 2016 11:11 a.m.

clayperce says... #19

stormhammer16,
If you're looking for my current Wolf deck, it's at Slobberin' out the Window (KLD).

You may also want to stop by the All Things Wolven or Solving Mirrorwing threads.

November 4, 2016 11:59 a.m.

stormhammer16 says... #20

Have u played aggro werewolf

November 4, 2016 12:09 p.m.

clayperce says... #21

stormhammer16,
Yeah, Wolves don't exactly lend themselves to Control do they? :-D

November 4, 2016 12:39 p.m.

Argy says... #22

Hey clayperce for your match report title you've got your results listed as 1-3-1.

I believe it should be 1-1-3: wins-ties-losses. If you think about it, that order makes more sense because it goes from best to worst.

November 4, 2016 6:42 p.m. Edited.

clayperce says... #23

Argeaux,
That's what I thought too, but I was corrected earlier. Wizards reports win-loss-tie (e.g., on Top 8 profiles).

Thanks though, for reminding me how much this deck sucked lol :-D

November 4, 2016 10:33 p.m.

Argy says... #24

Oh well, I stand corrected.

Hey, one night I lost 13 games in a row with my very successful Cast a Shadow deck. Absolutely nothing can save you from a row of bad draws.

That's what happened with Zada, right? ;0)

November 5, 2016 8:31 a.m.

clayperce says... #25

Argeaux,
Not exactly, but thanks for the out! ;-)

The deck was really just pretty bad ... one of those decks where the spectacular way it could combo off almost made up for the fact there weren't enough other paths to victory. But not quite. :-)

November 5, 2016 11:19 a.m. Edited.

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