bah-bammmm says... #2
ok, for combos like scapeshift, and tron, where the card is absolutely necessary, that is a different story.eldrazi decks run 4 ofs because they absolutely need the card. will this deck lose without the Crypt of Agadeem? absolutely not. will tron lose without any Urza's Power Plant? most likely. same goes for many combo decks or decks that rely on cards like that. 4 is simply just too much when this strategy does not rely on it. i mean, i understand what you are saying, and yes, originally i should have typed what i meant more clearly, but this deck does not need 4 Crypt of Agadeem
March 20, 2016 3:04 p.m.
That makes a lot more sense. Still, it depends on the list intirely, and for this list, i would say niether 3 nor 4 seems like a bad choice.
March 20, 2016 3:27 p.m.
bah-bammmm,
as explained before Crypt of Agadeem is a neccesary piece to my combo. Otherwise my combo is to slow to catch up the Aggro Meta.
Also you are assuming falsely that i will Top-Deck it. As said in the description i run a Dredge Deck.
Dredge means i ideally NEVER draw a card after turn 2.If i however feel like grabbing my crypt i simply Life from the Loam it.
Also Kjartan is correct, Titan Decks does run 3x Emeria, The Sky Ruin only because its activation cost requires that many Plains.So by adding 3th and 4th Emeria, The Sky Ruin they actually reduce the playability of the card.
Finally, i feel like adding 1.6% extra chance to draw something i need (the difference between 3 and 4 lands)is better.So its staying this way.
March 20, 2016 4:11 p.m.
bah-bammmm says... #5
Ok I understand now. But please explain how the combo is a board wipe. You don't net infinite mana, so how would that work?
March 20, 2016 4:21 p.m.
bah-bammmm, added an extra block that explains the basic strategy a little better.
Its not infinite mana but 4-5x at T3, 6-10x at T5, is usually game for aggro decks.
March 20, 2016 4:48 p.m.
evermoistcorndog says... #7
Vengevine also you need something to get those dredge cards in the graveyard. Red is probably the best color for this. With cards like Insolent Neonate, Faithless Looting, and Burning Inquiry you cant go wrong with splashing in some red. Also, you're missing a few key creatures for this deck. You really need Narcomoeba and Bloodghast. But overall I love the deck. +1 from me.
August 10, 2016 9:23 a.m.
hey evermoistcorndog,
your suggestions although nice are going towards the well established "Dredgevine" Deck.
I am heading towards a more Control , Mid-range Variation.
I did play Faithless Looting and Insolent Neonate but the 2-color version feels more stable for now.
My Deck is Based on my Crypt of Agadeem (as described above),so i can't afford non-black creatures.
Bloodghast,although is indeed great its waaay off my budget for the playset needed,hence the Gravecrawler's.
If you have any more Creatures to suggest PLEASE DO.
Thanks for the Upvote appreciate it.
August 10, 2016 7:13 p.m.
gabrielguieiro says... #9
Gakros, The best creature that interacts well with your deck its Geralf's Messenger...
August 18, 2016 11:34 a.m.
hi gabrielguieiro,
i always disliked the "Undying" cause if milled they are dead cards.
But i will test it out to be sure.
Thanks!
August 21, 2016 2:33 p.m.
Sorry mate, having a bit of trouble understanding the basic strategy combo, how does that work?
August 31, 2016 11:08 a.m.
hi Pyrezz,
the combo is:
1. Mill Haakon + Nameless Inversion
2. Have Crypt of Agadeem + 2 Lands on the field
3. Tap Crypt of Agadeem for lots of mana (only have black creatures)
4. Cast Haakon from grave
5. Haakon allows you to cast Nameless Inversion from the grave
6. Use the rest mana left (and maybe a few next turns) killing enemy creatures
Hope i helped
August 31, 2016 11:15 a.m.
Thanks for the Upvote mate,
hope you like the deck,
Still Deck Testing A-Ton of Things cause there is no Control Dredge Out There.
August 31, 2016 11:47 a.m.
Since your hardest matchups are noncreature based builds, your only real weapon against them would be discard spells like Duress, Inquisition of Kozilek, and Thoughtseize. I would run at least 4 Duress in your sideboard if possible, as combo decks can and will likely kill you turn 4 if you don't have any way to deal with them.
Other then that I like the build +1 for trying to be different!
September 6, 2016 2:16 a.m.
In addition to what I already suggested, Collective Brutality is a card you may want to look into as it lets you discard your hand away while giving you value and options.
September 6, 2016 2:19 a.m.
hi TeamSDBags,
First thanks for The Upvote appreciate it!
Secondly i am currently testing a build that uses 4x Collective Brutality mainDeck and its working ok.Might change into that
The Slots of Duress are currently owned by Pithing Needle and i love that card cause it stops plainwalkers and that Scavenging Ooze
what about 2x Jester's Cap instead of Tormod's Crypt ?
Thanks again!
September 6, 2016 9:44 a.m.
plus forgot to add,Jester's Cap is retriveable if milled from Life from the Loam + Buried Ruin.
Not sure if i will make it to 4mana though vs lets say Ad Nauseum.
September 6, 2016 9:47 a.m.
The card i found helping most is Collective Brutality && Smallpox but they replace Darkblast.
Because of the minimum 24x Creatures i cannot spare many spots to Sorc / Enchant / Instant / Artifact.
(24 is personal preference but its the one i feel better at)
Collective Brutality does the same or perhaps an even better job from Darkblast , but i love this little guy.
Darkblast saved my ass so many times i feel weak without it in it.
(it wrecks Affinity / Infect)
On the premise of "Discard" effects i am looking for awesome Creatures.
Rotting Rats && Mindlash Sliver speed me while they slow the opponent , currently i am looking to survive Burn / Affinity / Zoo and discarding them really helps.
Thanks for the suggestion.It really would speed things up but no room at the current build:D
September 16, 2016 1:23 a.m.
Smallpox reaaaaally stops Aggro Decks cause of the sacrfice land and creature.
I have seen it wreck face on turn2 but i must go shock/fetch land route to get the consistent on turn2.
So its a maybe if and when i upgrade the manabase.
September 16, 2016 1:27 a.m.
i am testing Collective Brutality on some buildsand its a powerhouse,
but currently i am trying to maximize the Black Creatures to buff Crypt of Agadeem.
Collective Brutality is already on the "Ideas" Section.
Kjartan says... #1
The reason U/W Titan only run 3 is mainly because it needs plains to trigger it, so you don't want multiples. You can't just say because 1 deck don't want a 4-of land, another deck should not want it either.
Do you think tron should only play 3 Towers? Do you think Eldrazi should would be better off with only 3 Eldrazi Temple? Should Scapeshift go up to 3 Valakut, the Molten Pinnacle instead of only 2?
3 is not always the magic number you should put your "stable lands" at.
It could be for this deck, because it is very consistant at getting it, and it often only needs 1-2 to work. But those 2 could be hard to get out when 1 isn't enough, and when you need 3 you are that much worse off. So I say test to that before you choose.
But the amount of key cards you should play in a deck, doesn't translate form the amount of key cards you should play in an interely different deck.
March 20, 2016 2:55 p.m.